Summer Transfer Window (2024/25)

[CVByrne]

2 minutes ago, duke313 said:

There’s a pattern here

Exactly, we need the athletes to play a new style including a high pressing game. We also need them to be better defensively and offensively from set pieces

[The_Steve]

4 minutes ago, duke313 said:

There’s a pattern here

We are too easily to bully or glide past. We need more height, steel and dynamism and energy in the squad. 

[sne]

3 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

That's your opinion. I am confident Emery is changing how we play again as it's adapt or die in PL and teams have figured out 23/24 Aston Villa. 

Issues I've got with Luiz is he's not great defensively, he's not very big, physical and mobile and his success lies with his attacking / creative aspects but it excels when paired with a Kamara who will cover the defensive aspects and not contribute with the attacking ones. I feel this type of combination works when it's the right combination.

A Tielemans and Gallagher for me also works because they're both better defensively than Luiz and both better attacking than Kamara, so the balance works it's spreading the load.

And those are your opinions and speculations. Again I disagree. We'll see how it pans out.

[CVByrne]

3 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

No he hasn’t. Iling Junior is a left midfielder or winger. He’s played those positions for Juve or their youth team 95% of the time, otherwise he’s played on the opposite wing or on occasion in central midfield. He’s played LB a handful of times for England U21. He’s not a full back. 

Like it's amusing how easy it is to show you're wrong. He's played the left wing back this season for Juve in their 3 5 2. You're clearly just too lazy to actually read up about the player. 

[duke313]

14 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

Exactly, we need the athletes to play a new style including a high pressing game. We also need them to be better defensively and offensively from set pieces

I agree, I can see our play evolving in a different direction.

[sne]

The wing backs in that Juve 3-5-2 are more attacking than the CM's. To suggest Illing-Junior can step in and play LB in the PL is a huge leap. He might in a year or 3 but the kid started 4 games for Juve and played less than 1000 minutes all competitions.

[one_ian_taylor]

3 minutes ago, sne said:

The wing backs in that Juve 3-5-2 are more attacking than the CM's. To suggest Illing-Junior can step in and play LB in the PL is a huge leap. He might in a year or 3 but the kid started 4 games for Juve and played less than 1000 minutes all competitions.

You could argue that 22-23 Moreno was more  attacking than the CMs

[zak]

26 minutes ago, duke313 said:

There’s a pattern here

Is Conor Gallagher 6ft? Strikes me as a small weaker player (with some tenancity)

[one_ian_taylor]

5 minutes ago, duke313 said:

I agree, I can see our play evolving in a different direction.

You'd  hope we would (and pretty sure we will) - we were brilliant at times last season, and most of the time we had a plan that worked well even when we weren't.  But there were also plenty of games when it felt that inferior  teams had worked us out and it was frustrating to see. 

[Jareth]

1 minute ago, zak said:

Is Conor Gallagher 6ft? Strikes me as a small weaker player (with some tenancity)

Yes when he deploys the man bun

[sne]

3 minutes ago, one_ian_taylor said:

You could argue that 22-23 Moreno was more  attacking than the CMs

Yup, very much so. But the suggestion was that Illing-Junior would come in and replace Digne. That would leave us with 2 very attacking LB's who are not good at defending.

[DeadlyDirk]

Just read Tom Heaton's contract is about to expire. Think he'd want to come back and take over the number 2 role from Olsen? Would get more game time than he's has at Man Ure....

[one_ian_taylor]

13 minutes ago, sne said:

Yup, very much so. But the suggestion was that Illing-Junior would come in and replace Digne. That would leave us with 2 very attacking LB's who are not good at defending.

Think I'd  be comfortable every Moreno, plus  another LWB if we also had a CB who could cover LB if needed. That said. Digne was great for a lot of last year,  very reliable and I'd miss him

[TreeVillan]

10 minutes ago, DeadlyDirk said:

Just read Tom Heaton's contract is about to expire. Think he'd want to come back and take over the number 2 role from Olsen? Would get more game time than he's has at Man Ure....

Olsen is a decent back up to Emi imo, I'm not sure we should be using a portion of our wages for an improvement. 

[Anything11]

56 minutes ago, duke313 said:

There’s a pattern here

oh the people are learning...

[Jareth]

10 minutes ago, TreeVillan said:

Olsen is a decent back up to Emi

I dunno...

[duke313]

24 minutes ago, sne said:

Yup, very much so. But the suggestion was that Illing-Junior would come in and replace Digne. That would leave us with 2 very attacking LB's who are not good at defending.

That wasn't what he was suggesting. 

Iling-Junior can play as a very attacking wing back (like a left sided Frimpong), not as a full back like Digne.  He could be utilised in the LM position with a defensive FB behind him (Hermoso? Mings?).  Or we could be switching to a back 3 with wing backs.   

[PeterSw]

29 minutes ago, sne said:

Yup, very much so. But the suggestion was that Illing-Junior would come in and replace Digne. That would leave us with 2 very attacking LB's who are not good at defending.

Torres and Mings (and potentially Hermoso) can all do the Konsa role at LB.. that's if we even play 4 at the back next season

[sne]

2 minutes ago, PeterSw said:

Torres and Mings (and potentially Hermoso) can all do the Konsa role at LB.. that's if we even play 4 at the back next season

Yeah perhaps. Guess we'll see.

[Philosopher]

1 hour ago, CVByrne said:

It doesn't. Luiz + McGinn doesn't work as a CM pairing. But Barkley + Gallagher for example does. The latter two are better defensively so as a pair it works. 

Of our existing 4 CMs in order of defensive qualities they are 1) Kamara, 2) Tielemans, 3) Luiz, 4) McGinn. The last two are about the same tbh. 

We won't be after a profile of player the same as Kamara because Emery wants more rounded CMs who are good at both sides of the game. Gallagher and McKennie are those types of players.

I don't agree with this. 

Gallagher isn't better than Mcginn defensively. If anything Gallagher is a younger version of Mcginn. His game is about putting himself about, which means being with the play. So rather than holding a position with discipline (like a DM) he has to rely on moving into the the right position for a given action. This means he will leave space to be exploited, which is what happens when Mcginn plays DM.

Barkley is bigger and stronger than Luiz, but personally I think both players aren't natural when it comes to defending. So we'll probably defend aerial balls better but not much else.

Has Emery ever said he prefers well rounded midfielders over specialist DM's in the DM position because I can't recall him saying so.

Also kamara is a specialist DM, but is a well rounded midfielder as well. He can do everything except shoot and finish. I'm pretty sure he'd love to have another like Kamara. So basically wanting well rounded midfielder doesn't mean not like specialist DM's. After all Kamara is one of the first midfielders on the teamsheet when fit.