troon_villan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 38 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: you should come sometime and you might learn something 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 14 hours ago, Jas10 said: Dunno if legit but Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Kingman said: Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. Well the stats clearly say Rogers is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, Kingman said: Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. JPB is better - so Rogers is worth below 5 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, Kingman said: Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. Furthermore, Aaron Ramsey had better stats last year at Boro. This link is a head scratcher for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, Kingman said: Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. Agree that 15 million is steep, but JPB plays predominantly on the right (or at least he did in preseason) and I believe his buyback is about the same. JPB wanted a move because he wasn't content with being 2nd/3rd choice and wanted to play more (can't fault him for that). I also believe there's some accounting advantages with selling the likes of JPB, Ramsey and Archer that would exceed the advantages of selling someone who didn't come through the youth. If this lad Rogers is good enough and/or has the belief that he can come in and compete straight away then I trust that the club will be getting it right with the accounting/FFP side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 31 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Jesus reading the stuff you have posted in this thread is almost like giving myself a lobotomy. If you are not sure what that is, which I suspect might be the case, look it up, you may learn something. Okay, Hank. Go have a lie down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, Leeroy said: Okay, Hank. Go have a lie down. I don't need one bro. I'm fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 You guys saying JPB is better than Rodgers are just looking at goals and assists stats rather than the bigger picture. Stick to FIFA. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, nepal_villan said: Furthermore, Aaron Ramsey had better stats last year at Boro. This link is a head scratcher for me. Did he? Maybe goals or assists... but all round Rogers is better. Also, doesn't have the injury record of Aaron. I rated Ramsey Jnr, but there's data out there showing Rogers is performing better (especially so more recently) than Ramsey did. And more importantly than all that, we have a world class director of football and manager, that obviously think he's a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 11 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: JPB is better - so Rogers is worth below 5 million? JPB fee was low because of the buyback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 14 minutes ago, Kingman said: Makes no sense paying £15m for this lad when we let JPB go for £5m who IMO is far more of an advanced prospect. 1 minute ago, nepal_villan said: Furthermore, Aaron Ramsey had better stats last year at Boro. This link is a head scratcher for me. Different players, different roles and entirely different seasons for Boro as a club. I understand the comparison as it's a natural one to make, but Boro were massively successful last season due to Chuba Akpom's presence as sort-of-number 10. A whole host of players thrived off playing alongside him - notably Archer and Ramsey, but also Hackney and McGree playing a lot of through balls to an attacking trio (Crooks and Forss did pretty well from memory). They were setup to be an incredibly attacking side for the second half of the season. I have no real knowledge of Rogers (other than he became a beast in one of my older FM saves), but he currently has 6 goals and 7 assists this season from approx. 18 games of football and, from the video on the first page, looks to be exactly the sort of attacking player we're missing. Maybe Philogene could've been that player - people are saying he pushed for the move - but he isn't. If you're using £15m as a factual figure then, over a 5 year contract, Rogers' signing would be £3m this season. We sold Philogene for £5m. On an FFP basis, that's a £2m profit booked for a "similar" player at worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: You guys saying JPB is better than Rodgers are just looking at goals and assists stats rather than the bigger picture. Stick to FIFA. Yeah, overrated those goals and assist stats! Come round here with those goal contribution facts, ya pesky peasants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, Kingman said: Yeah, overrated those goals and assist stats! Come round here with those goal contribution facts, ya pesky peasants In fairness, the video on first page has a clip of Rogers squaring a ball to someone who somehow managed to blaze it over the top from about 8 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted January 19 Popular Post Share Posted January 19 I watched as many Middlesbrough games as I could last season, and Ramsey was good in his own right, it wasn't because he was playing with Akpom, he was also very good for Norwich, although I would say he benefitted from playing in a team that was playing well overall, which is always going to be the case with youngsters on loan, and something that should be regarded when judging Rogers, Boro spent a lot of this season in the lower half, so his stats won't look as good as some players, he's actually one of the best chance creators in the divison, but nothing he can do if others aren't converting the chances he creates, put him a team challenging higher up the the able and I'm sure he would have better goal and assist stats, I spoke the same of Philogene last season and so it's proving this season. Not sure why the comparisons with Philogene anyway, Rogers has been playing in the No.10 area for Boro, he's essentially the one that has replaced Akpom in their team, Philogene wanted to leave to get guaranteed game time, if he does well we will buy him back, we probably can't buy him back this January, it's likely that we will have given Hull a guarantee that we won't use buyback this January, one of the benefits of selling him with buyback rather than loaning is that it encourages the buying club to play him more and take better care of his development, because essentially he's their player, but they're less likely to think in those terms if there's a prospect of losing him in next window. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I must admit, this is a strange link. I'm a big advocate of signing players from the Championship though - I think there are always a handful of players ready to make the step up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 tbf, if Bailey or Diaby had done this, many ppl on here would have jizzed all over the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 19 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19 11 minutes ago, MaVilla said: tbf, if Bailey or Diaby had done this, many ppl on here would have jizzed all over the forum. Had that gone in I might have jizzed just now, as it was, anti climax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Right, I’m here. What have I missed. Leeroy is a massive fan of the player and is desperate for us to sign him is what i've garnered from the thread so far... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, bobzy said: If you're using £15m as a factual figure then, over a 5 year contract, Rogers' signing would be £3m this season. We sold Philogene for £5m. On an FFP basis, that's a £2m profit booked for a "similar" player at worst. For all those saying “why pay £15m when we sold JPB for £5m?”: 1) The £15m is a speculative figure 2) As Bobzy points out, in the weird world of FFP that means a £2m profit this year not a £10m loss 3) We gave a discount on JPB to include a buyback. I’d really focus on #1 at this point anyway! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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