BOF Posted October 11 Author Moderator Share Posted October 11 Toyota are back in F1 with Haas. Well kinda. They will provide “design, technical and manufacturing services” which will not affect Haas' relationship with Ferrari. There'll be Toyota branding on the Haas cars from next week's US GP. Article here Quote The Toyota name is returning to F1 for the first time in 15 years through a new tie-up with Haas. The world’s largest car manufacturer by volume will become an “official technical partner” to the team which lies seventh in the world championship. Toyota branding will appear on the VF-24s from next week’s United States Grand Prix at the Circuit of the Americas. Toyota will provide “design, technical and manufacturing services” to Haas as part of a new, multi-year deal between the two. Haas says it will supply “technical expertise and commercial benefits in return.” The new deal will not affect Haas’ current arrangement with Ferrari, who supply their power units, gearboxes and some other parts. The two companies recently extended until 2028. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 50 minutes ago, BOF said: Toyota are back in F1 with Haas. Well kinda. They will provide “design, technical and manufacturing services” which will not affect Haas' relationship with Ferrari. There'll be Toyota branding on the Haas cars from next week's US GP. Article here By the time 2026 rolls around, it'll be like the mid 2000's with all of the various car manufacturer names on the grid. Ford teaming up with RBPT, Honda back full time as an engine manufacturer, Audi and now Toyota with Haas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 11 Author Moderator Share Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Avfc96 said: By the time 2026 rolls around, it'll be like the mid 2000's with all of the various car manufacturer names on the grid. Ford teaming up with RBPT, Honda back full time as an engine manufacturer, Audi and now Toyota with Haas. And Renault being Renault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 19 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 19 hours ago Clickety linkings Now I'm all for finding loopholes in how rules are written. That's at the heart of F1 ingenuity. But this ain't that. This is just cheating, pure and simple. I wonder who it is. You'd think it'll come out in the (fairly quick) fullness of time. Quote Growing suspicions of a cunning Formula 1 car ride height adjustment trick under parc ferme conditions has triggered an immediate FIA response from this weekend’s United States Grand Prix, Motorsport.com can reveal. Sources have revealed that discussions have taken place between several teams and the FIA over recent weeks to discuss concerns that one unidentified outfit may have found a clever way to adjust front bib clearance between qualifying and the race. Being able to raise and lower the bib, even by a small amount, between qualifying and the race would deliver a noticeable benefit in terms of perfecting the different ride height requirements between a low-fuel single-lap run and the needs for a heavier car over a race distance. However, making such an adjustment would be a clear breach of F1’s technical regulations that outlaw changes to the aerodynamic configuration of the car – apart from the front wing – once the car is in parc ferme. To ensure that teams do not have devices that allow for easy modifications, the rules add: “it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools.” However, the suspicions that have erupted are that a team has designed its car in such a way that it was possible to adjust the clearance of the front bib – also known as a T-tray – through a change of settings inside the cockpit. More in link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago I hope it’s not Mclaren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 19 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 19 hours ago Also, "T-tray"? WTF? It's a tea tray, cuz it looks like a tea tray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 19 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 19 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Genie said: I hope it’s not Mclaren A quick look over on reddit and no-one knows. Some saying they think Williams' performance is disproportionately good since their floor upgrade, but nothing more than that. Others saying McLaren and Merc but nothing other than hope and bias (and fear) for reasons. Actually some have given decent reasons as to why it isn't McLaren. I'm sure Ted Kravitz will enlighten us soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted 9 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 9 hours ago https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c93yvz7xdgzo Quote Red Bull have confirmed that they have made changes to their car as a result of discussions with governing body the FIA. Rivals had alerted the FIA to a device in the Red Bull cockpit that they believed could be used to adjust the height of the front of the car's floor. Of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 9 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 9 hours ago 16 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c93yvz7xdgzo Of course. So they'll be even worse this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 9 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 9 hours ago Actually reading fully, it says that while the system exists, it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run. So I dunno. Let's see what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 32 minutes ago, BOF said: Actually reading fully, it says that while the system exists, it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run. So I dunno. Let's see what happens. Technical talk. It was like when the Mercedes had the DAS system to adjust the toe angle of the wheels by moving the steering wheel back and forth. Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c93yvz7xdgzo Of course. I actually ruled them out as the car has been getting slower (relative to the others) for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 44 minutes ago, BOF said: Actually reading fully, it says that while the system exists, it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run. So I dunno. Let's see what happens. So they are saying “it’s legal and we’re getting no advantage from it” and “ok, we’ll remove it” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 8 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Genie said: So they are saying “it’s legal and we’re getting no advantage from it” and “ok, we’ll remove it” No they seem to be saying it's not operational when the car is fully assembled so there isn't a race weekend advantage to it being there, but yes by the letter of the law its existence is technically illegal so we'll remove it. Probably playing it down. Who knows. It's great fun though. Watching them all rat on each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Just now, BOF said: No they seem to be saying it's not operational when the car is fully assembled so there isn't a race weekend advantage to it being there, but yes by the letter of the law its existence is technically illegal so we'll remove it. Probably playing it down. Who knows. It's great fun though. Watching them all rat on each other. What are they suggesting its use is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted 8 hours ago Author Moderator Share Posted 8 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Genie said: What are they suggesting its use is? Not entirely sure to be honest. Presumably something configurable on a test rig, wind tunnel, factory testing type configuration, but it does seem quite a fancy feature for such a niche application. They could of course also be pulling our collective plonkers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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