sharkyvilla Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: If I was a tory MP right now I’d start casting around for a new leader and gossiping to the press. The thing is I'm not sure Sunak is the problem as much as Braverman, Patel, Truss etc. They seem to be the ones that are completely clueless as to why so many people hate the Tories right now, if they didn't already before. It's not really based on much but I get the feeling Sunak has had to bow to the right of the party to keep them onside. As @Genie said I think he'd be better off getting it over and done with now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: The thing is I'm not sure Sunak is the problem as much as Braverman, Patel, Truss etc. They seem to be the ones that are completely clueless as to why so many people hate the Tories right now, if they didn't already before. It's not really based on much but I get the feeling Sunak has had to bow to the right of the party to keep them onside. As @Genie said I think he'd be better off getting it over and done with now. Oh, I wasn’t offering them any constructive advice. I hope the shits self destruct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villan95 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: This one too! Edited October 20, 2023 by villan95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 The real hardcore throbbers were never going to vote for a bloke called Festus Akinbusoye, even if he was a Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, villan95 said: This one's even better Guess it depends on your priorities. Reckon I'd choose a 80/20 Labour / Lib Dem split over a 90/10 one. But yes, even fewer Tories is also good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: The real hardcore throbbers were never going to vote for a bloke called Festus Akinbusoye, even if he was a Tory. Suella Braverman, Priti Patel, Rishi Sunak, Ben Afolami, Kemi Badonoch, Saqip Batti (plus loads more). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, Genie said: Suella Braverman, Priti Patel, Rishi Sunak, Ben Afolami, Kemi Badonoch, Saqip Batti (plus loads more). My point exactly. They aren't getting votes from sensible people because they're borderline fascists. But they aren't getting enough votes from the fascist punters, because they aren't white (therefore 'not really British'). I'll bet a lot of those stay-away Bedfordshire Tories would have turned out for a Boris or JRM type candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, mjmooney said: My point exactly. They aren't getting votes from sensible people because they're borderline fascists. But they aren't getting enough votes from the fascist punters, because they aren't white (therefore 'not really British'). I'll bet a lot of those stay-away Bedfordshire Tories would have turned out for a Boris or JRM type candidate. I think the racist types will vote for a non-white candidate if that candidate shows racist / right wing / anti-immigration tendencies. It would’ve been interesting to see if the Tories had put a more right leaning candidate into Tamworth in particular, they might have scooped some of those BF/UKIP/Reform votes to get over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, Genie said: I think the racist types will vote for a non-white candidate if that candidate shows racist / right wing / anti-immigration tendencies. It would’ve been interesting to see if the Tories had put a more right leaning candidate into Tamworth in particular, they might have scooped some of those BF/UKIP/Reform votes to get over the line. Doesn’t say much for Tamworth does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, meregreen said: Doesn’t say much for Tamworth does it. It says a lot about a lot of the population which voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 In fairness Tamworth looks at Birmingham and clutches it's pearls in horror at the thought it might become marginally less white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: My point exactly. They aren't getting votes from sensible people because they're borderline fascists. But they aren't getting enough votes from the fascist punters, because they aren't white (therefore 'not really British'). I'll bet a lot of those stay-away Bedfordshire Tories would have turned out for a Boris or JRM type candidate. Not convinced there is an abnormal stay at home Tory vote in Mid Beds. The turnout was relatively high for a similar late term by-election. Only the Carswell / Reckless elections have higher turnouts in recent times for by-elections in the last year or so of a parliament. And they were exceptional in a number of ways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: Guess it depends on your priorities. Reckon I'd choose a 80/20 Labour / Lib Dem split over a 90/10 one. But yes, even fewer Tories is also good. Apologies I read the Lib Dem MP number as Tories. So yep on balance I'd prefer less Tories too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Genie said: It says a lot about a lot of the population which voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. It certainly wasn’t overwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just now, meregreen said: It certainly wasn’t overwhelming. Ah my mistake, I guess you were referring to Tamworth not the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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