Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 hours ago, HalfTimePost said: Pau going through a very Mings-like process. Integral to our forward play, but missed by a lot of fans because he doesn't play like the CBs we loved of years gone by. Almost a scapegoat already, fans were saying 'Torres again' earlier in the Thread as Eze broke through the lines between Cash and Konsa. Bizarre. He'll be immense for us. Also.. I was thinking exactly this today. This feels exactly like the 19/20 Mings discourse, which only really dissipated last season. It's going to hang over him forever. Every interaction and mistake mircoanalysed, while Konsa next to him seems to get off Scott free for similar or worse plays. For some reason or CBs need to be rough, no-nonsense defenders, and anybody slightly cultured is perceived as some wimpy poor defender unless they put in gargantuan performances. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Risso said: Sorry, he still worries me immensely. He should perhaps be playing in midfield as his passing is top notch, but his defending really looks very ropey indeed. He's had numerous dodgy bits of play in every game this season so far, and it's all due to his lack of strength and pace. No. He's not a midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Playing out from the back is a completely different skill to playing in midfield. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 I find it difficult to comment on his passing when he’s costing us a goal a game. Still a long way to go for him. He’ll cost us points this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He’s so good on the ball but lacks physicality. Felt he got outmuscled for their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He's improving - I know he's cost us sometimes but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bulk up. A chunky Torres would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: I find it difficult to comment on his passing when he’s costing us a goal a game. Still a long way to go for him. He’ll cost us points this season. I think Moreno pace at left back will help him out a lot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think Moreno pace at left back will help him out a lot Exactly this although Moreno spends more time in oppositions half than our own I like Pau & I just think he adjusting to everything about the best league in the world & the most competitive, if you watched him for Villarreal apart from his ridiculous range of passing he would pinch alot of balls of strikes specially when the ball was passed into them & that what caught him out yesterday he tried to pinch it & he nearly did. He will adjust & Emery will help him, think by Christmas we will all be drooling over how good he has become once he has adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He did pretty well against Palace’s physicality. Mateta has rag dolled Van Dijk at times. Apart from the one lapse which resulted in Eduoard being left alone in the middle by the rest of the defence he was fine defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: I find it difficult to comment on his passing when he’s costing us a goal a game. Still a long way to go for him. He’ll cost us points this season. Is he though? Yes he got turned yesterday but it was in their half miles from goal, konsa is in a different postcode to his man and Emi slipped The tackle that he actually got turned for had an element of misfortune to it too I criticised him after the Liverpool game but I wasn't overly fussed by yesterday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: I find it difficult to comment on his passing when he’s costing us a goal a game. Still a long way to go for him. He’ll cost us points this season. Every player will cost us points this season. He'll settle but losing Mings and Diego has thrown him in at the deep end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MellbergsBeard Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 He is instrumental to the way we play, everything started with him or went through him and he is just 5 games into his Villa career he is going to be massive for us but like normal we need a scape goat along with Ollie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 So much of our play goes through him. He also swept up for Ezri on a couple of occasions. Caught for the goal but Mateta was a threat all game and what defender is perfect and never gets turned?Im sure there are some but I can’t think of names right now. Good player and he has scope to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 It's rare for a CD to come in and be the perfect player from Day 1. How many hundred's of millions have Man City and others wasted finding that player? He was always going to take time to adjust, give the guy 15-20 games and he'll be the defender we want him to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, MarkLillis said: So much of our play goes through him. He also swept up for Ezri on a couple of occasions. Caught for the goal but Mateta was a threat all game and what defender is perfect and never gets turned?Im sure there are some but I can’t think of names right now. Good player and he has scope to improve. There are none. Never were. Defenders are funny because depending on how much you like them you can choose to ignore the times they get turned or magnify them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 FWIW didn't mings get done by Zaha, in pretty much the exact same part of the pitch a few years back? Can't remember if it lead to a goal or a sending off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 One of his better games yesterday and I read the comments and anyone would think the opposite. Nobody discounts the goal was poor to score but also we were massively exposed at the back for several minutes. We could have easily conceded but didn’t. His control and passing is top class and I’m still annoyed about the offside decision. He’s getting used to the league more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Keyblade said: I was thinking exactly this today. This feels exactly like the 19/20 Mings discourse, which only really dissipated last season. It's going to hang over him forever. Every interaction and mistake mircoanalysed, while Konsa next to him seems to get off Scott free for similar or worse plays. For some reason or CBs need to be rough, no-nonsense defenders, and anybody slightly cultured is perceived as some wimpy poor defender unless they put in gargantuan performances. I've asked this before, and I dont think people knew. But is there someone counting each pass that's made in the premier league, or is it automated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, turvontour said: I've asked this before, and I dont think people knew. But is there someone counting each pass that's made in the premier league, or is it automated? I’ve no idea but I’m interested in how it’s done. Must be some IT system but I like to imagine someone in a room at each game frantically tallying each players complete passes, inaccurate passes, tackles, interceptions, aerial duels etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, turvontour said: I've asked this before, and I dont think people knew. But is there someone counting each pass that's made in the premier league, or is it automated? We have data collection centres all around the world. For every match we have three guys using bespoke software, which overlays a live video feed on a pitch graphic: one guy watches the home team, another does the away team and the third man is essentially a data checker,” explains Banoub. “Using a combination of hotkeys and mouse clicks they track who’s on the ball and what happens to it. So let’s say Wayne Rooney picks it up on the halfway line and passes it out wide to Antonio Valencia; they’ll click where Rooney is on the pitch when he plays it, again where Valencia receives it and the software records an X/Y coordinate and time stamp of the pass.” Each match produces between 1,600 and 2,000 individual pieces of data, which are analysed by Opta’s in-house team and packaged for use by broadcasters, the press, brands, irritating betting ads and coaches to formulate game plans for upcoming matches by obsessively observing opponents. Linky linky 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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