mikeyp102 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, allani said: I love how he is convinced that Liverpool are victims of PSR and not massive benefactors of it. Liverpool victims??? That can’t be true 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 11 hours ago, villa4europe said: It does stink, it properly stinks and it's an absolute load of nonsense The alternative is they let us spend more money, let our owners spend their own money...they said no to that..**** em At it's core it's still the rules that are bollocks, don't hate the player hate the game Yep, we're effectively forced to game the system as much as possible. It would be irresponsible not to. But of course, all the clubs at their PSR limit now have to sell their best youngsters and some starters, which is irreversible and hurts us long term. The chances of us having another Jack or another Ramsay come through are very low because we need to use the academy to work around PSR rules. It's bad for football. It removes the romance from football, because player movement is basically essential to survive. I don't think this will last forever, but it's already done some damage to us and every other club forced to make these decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 14 hours ago, thabucks said: It’s not like we’re are exploiting a loop hole / work around - it’s been the way since FFP was introduced that weights the sale of homegrown players higher- simple as. I bet end of the summer Arsenal would’ve made the most selling off their homegrown players in ESR, Nketiah, Nelson… We are selling assets we feel we can do without to invest back into the first team. Yes, we would have filled an accountancy deficiency but think we would’ve sold Kellyman & Tim anyhow regardless of FFP/PSR Arsenal rather than sell the dross there academy produced like nketiah and Nelson for some reason seem to give them big pay rises to sign contract extensions and still never play them. The reason being they are not good enough yet at 25 and 24 years old respectively they are still there and arsenal still have a fee on there heads way higher than anyone will pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon66 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: Liverpool victims??? That can’t be true They should be careful up there on the moral high ground......particularly when your principal sponsorship partner are convicted money launderers for Iranian terrorist activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 19 hours ago, randy_69 said: Bitter pill time. Obviously another Man U (ignore the fact they are 100s millions in debt or arsenal fan). Embarrassing journalism Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa are leading a new age of PSR transfer nonsense Welcome, somehow, to the era of the “mutually beneficial” deal for accounting purposes. It all stinks... https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-newcastle-villa-leading-new-age-psr-transfer-nonsense-3126686?ITO=newsnow "It all stinks" says fan of club that has a "global pillow sponsor", among others that nets them the significantly more money annually than the clubs he's whining about are selling players for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 This is like that one year in PES Master League where the transfer system was broken and the only way to improve your team was to sell your academy players (usually regens) to generate cash, or you'd go under. It felt wrong but there was nothing you could do about it, it was the only way to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 50 minutes ago, duke313 said: Being allowed to sell each other players for the sole purpose of circumventing PSR. Ok, but it would be impossible to prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Mr_Dogg said: Ok, but it would be impossible to prove that. There is nothing to prove, they just need to close the loophole same as they did with the 8 year contracts that Chelsea were doing. They were't punished for it, as it was technically allowed, they just changed the rules so it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, duke313 said: There is nothing to prove, they just need to close the loophole same as they did with the 8 year contracts that Chelsea were doing. They were't punished for it, as it was technically allowed, they just changed the rules so it's not. What loophole? So they are going to arbitrarily prevent clubs trading with each other? It's totally different from the long contracts Chelsea were giving out. Hey Villa, you can sell Iroegbunam to Brighton but not to Everton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: There is nothing to prove, they just need to close the loophole same as they did with the 8 year contracts that Chelsea were doing. They were't punished for it, as it was technically allowed, they just changed the rules so it's not. How could they close the loophole? You can't stop clubs selling players and buying players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 minutes ago, duke313 said: There is nothing to prove, they just need to close the loophole same as they did with the 8 year contracts that Chelsea were doing. They were't punished for it, as it was technically allowed, they just changed the rules so it's not. You can’t stop clubs selling players to each other. They might want to include a rule that stops clubs inflating transfer fees but I don’t think that would work as you would have to do it with every transfer. So would United get in trouble for signing Anthony a 30mil player for 80? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: What loophole? So they are going to arbitrarily prevent clubs trading with each other? It's totally different from the long contracts Chelsea were giving out. Hey Villa, you can sell Iroegbunam to Brighton but not to Everton. It' pretty obvious that we're exploiting this to circumvent PSR, that's the loophole. 4 minutes ago, DCJonah said: How could they close the loophole? You can't stop clubs selling players and buying players. They can close it by not allowing sales between traded players to count towards PSR, you can still trade players but their sales won;t count so will be pointless unless the two clubs actually want the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: It' pretty obvious that we're exploiting this to circumvent PSR, that's the loophole. They can close it by not allowing sales between traded players to count towards PSR, you can still trade players but their sales won;t count so will be pointless unless the two clubs actually want the players. What loophole? Please explain what loophole we are exploiting? Selling players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: It' pretty obvious that we're exploiting this to circumvent PSR, that's the loophole. They can close it by not allowing sales between traded players to count towards PSR, you can still trade players but their sales won;t count so will be pointless unless the two clubs actually want the players. Sorry, that doesn't make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, CVByrne said: What loophole? Please explain what loophole we are exploiting? Selling players? Selling Tim to Everton, and them selling Dobbins to us, tow transfers that would never happen if we both didnt have PSR issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: Sorry, that doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 34 minutes ago, Herman22 said: We all know why clubs like Arsenal and United are up in arms about our creative PSR work around. In the past when we needed to sell a player like Luiz (to adhere to the rules) the biggest fees would come from one of the PL clubs. So, for example, Arsenal would pick up Doug thus strengthening them and weakening us. It’s the perfect cartel! The real reason they are annoyed is that we are performing on the pitch and now out manoeuvring off it too. The same reason we were up in arms about 115 and Chelsea selling hotels to themselves etc. What's going on with our club right now makes me very uncomfortable. We can't insist that City get the book thrown at them while doing a little bit of jiggery pokery ourselves. I get why we've done it though. To be clear though, I don't like the rules and they are to the enormous benefit of the United's and Arsenal's. Wildly profitable clubs who we wouldn't be able to compete with if the rules were being strictly enforced with no loopholes. Which is why they'll complain, because they'll want to protect their advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveburnside Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, desensitized43 said: The same reason we were up in arms about 115 and Chelsea selling hotels to themselves etc. What's going on with our club right now makes me very uncomfortable. We can't insist that City get the book thrown at them while doing a little bit of jiggery pokery ourselves. I get why we've done it though. To be clear though, I don't like the rules and they are to the enormous benefit of the United's and Arsenal's. Wildly profitable clubs who we wouldn't be able to compete with if the rules were being strictly enforced with no loopholes. Which is why they'll complain, because they'll want to protect their advantage. How else would you put a swap deal through the accounts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Mr_Dogg said: Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Exactly. It doesn't make a single bit of sense. We went to clubs who also have PSR problems with the sole purpose of not having to sell our players at a discount to other clubs who would use the end June date as a negotiating tactic to underpay for our players. We didn't put ourselves in that position and looked at players we wanted to fill gaps in our squad from those teams who wanted players from us. Lots of teams would be interested in Luiz and Chelsea had come in enquiring for Duran and Kellyman in January so we knew players they were interested in and we would be willing to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: The same reason we were up in arms about 115 and Chelsea selling hotels to themselves etc. What's going on with our club right now makes me very uncomfortable. We can't insist that City get the book thrown at them while doing a little bit of jiggery pokery ourselves. I get why we've done it though. To be clear though, I don't like the rules and they are to the enormous benefit of the United's and Arsenal's. Wildly profitable clubs who we wouldn't be able to compete with if the rules were being strictly enforced with no loopholes. Which is why they'll complain, because they'll want to protect their advantage. I think you are just completely misunderstanding what we have done this window. We chose teams who were interested in our players and who also have PSR issues because they wouldn't be teams who would lowball us for our players. Simple smart dealings in transfer market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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