Isa Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 They can try and close loopholes for the future, like they did with Chelsea and the amortisation over 8 year contracts. They cannot however retrospectively punish clubs for legally exploiting any available loopholes though, can they? I am no legal expect but I don't see how they can really close this loophole either unless maybe barring 'pure profit' transfers between clubs in a period leading up to the PSR deadline. Which seems really impractical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 If the League tried to enforce these rules expect major pushback. It's unbelievable how rattled the cartel clubs are. "The FMV rules for assessing the fair value of a player lists 18 factors it applies and detailed at length in appendix 19 of the Premier League handbook. Those include everything from the player’s age, to his position, playing statistics, honours, and injury history. On the club side, the Premier League will assess the “financial state and relative bargaining position” of the clubs involved and “any urgent need for liquidity” in the selling club." This would be terrible for the game. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/27/premier-league-explains-transfer-rules-swap-deal-concern/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Make Pies Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 How could you possibly have a situation where rival clubs are deciding on their competitors' transfers i.e. deciding on how their competitors run their businesses? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aston_Villan4 said: They’re trying to screw us over. "unusual activity in the transfer market". LOL wtf. They dont car when Manure, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal are asking 40-50m for their crappy youth players, but when we think one of ours is worth 10-20m its "unusual activity". what a load of frauds. Could the PL be any more transparent thats its one rule for one, and one for another? tbh, i would be interested to see them try and impose a transfer fee on one of our, or any player, our, or other teams lawyers would tie them up in knots i reckon. Edited June 27 by MaVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 They’ve created this monster, but they dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to proving anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 27 Popular Post Share Posted June 27 (edited) Everton Value Braithewaite at 80 mill. Wonder if they'll be forced to sell at a " fair value " more favourable to United What shite. We should technically be able to sell Callum Chambers for 70 mill if someone wanted to pay it. They have no right to value clubs players. Edited June 27 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 54 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Had we sold Tim for £50m and bought the Everton lad for £50m I'd kinda say fair enough. But the deals were so small in value and there's hundreds of other examples of other transfers just like it. I don't understand the sudden need for it to be looked at. No one gave a shit when we sold Chuk to Chelsea £20m. Or the numerous times City have sold their Academy players. It stinks that it's suddenly an issue. All because United couldn’t bully Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 28 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28 When they say fair market value… what do they mean!? I don’t think there’s a person alive that believes the PL transfer market is ‘fair’ in anyway… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Transfers must meet at arms length... what the **** does that mean? Both clubs have to agree to the price. Both clubs are owned by different people. As if they're clamping down on this when they've had City and Cheslea inflating the market for decades with "off the books" incentives for their signings and managers. And who are the PL that has sent this letter? I thought the PL was the 20 clubs. Does it have an arbitrary representative that sends these letters and if they do, who do they do it on behalf of? Weird system, joke of an organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 28 Moderator Share Posted June 28 25 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Transfers must meet at arms length... what the **** does that mean? Both clubs have to agree to the price. Both clubs are owned by different people. As if they're clamping down on this when they've had City and Cheslea inflating the market for decades with "off the books" incentives for their signings and managers. And who are the PL that has sent this letter? I thought the PL was the 20 clubs. Does it have an arbitrary representative that sends these letters and if they do, who do they do it on behalf of? Weird system, joke of an organisation. The PL legal team sent the e mither, according to the article. The arms length stuff applies to deals between clubs owned by the same person(s). It’s a non story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, alreadyexists said: When they say fair market value… what do they mean!? They mean that you can't start swapping youth prospects and valuing them at £40m. Also it seems PL/UEFA have stopped United signing Todibo from Nice due to the fact both clubs have similar ownership. Presumably United were getting him on the cheap. Strange that Man City are able to sign Savio from Girona though.... Villa have nothing to worry about here, as Blandy says it's a non-story. Edited June 28 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 17 minutes ago, villa89 said: They mean that you can't start swapping youth prospects and valuing them at £40m. Also it seems PL/UEFA have stopped United signing Todibo from Nice due to the fact both clubs have similar ownership. Presumably United were getting him on the cheap. Strange that Man City are able to sign Savio from Girona though.... Villa have nothing to worry about here, as Blandy says it's a non-story. They’re stopping United buying Todibo because they’ve same owners, and they are both in Europa. Technically City are buying Savio from Troyes, he was only on loan at Girona. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 25/06/2024 at 20:45, Rds1983 said: The best example of how messed up FFP/PSR is that both Everton and Forest were handed bigger punishments than any of the club's who tried to break away and form the super league. thats because FFP / PSR has a defined set of rules that they could demonstrate they were in breach of as the super league teams were breaking away from UEFA not the PL im not sure if they did do anything "wrong" in the eyes of the PL contracts, something which has been addressed since so that it cant happen again honestly not a clue how a PL points deduction for trying not to play in the CL would hold up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 12 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Everton Value Braithewaite at 80 mill. Wonder if they'll be forced to sell at a " fair value " more favourable to United What shite. We should technically be able to sell Callum Chambers for 70 mill if someone wanted to pay it. They have no right to value clubs players. they've made a huge rod for their own back over the last decade by both selling players at inflated fees (liverpool, city) and buying players at inflated fees (utd, chelsea) there's an absolute **** ton of precedent due to the shear number of ridiculous transfers in football anthony for £90m is far more worthy of investigation than dobbins for £9m its all noise, nothing will come of it bar a word changing in the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 36 minutes ago, duke313 said: They’re stopping United buying Todibo because they’ve same owners, and they are both in Europa. Technically City are buying Savio from Troyes, he was only on loan at Girona. The City Group own Troyes out right. They only own 47% of Girona. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The City Group own Troyes out right. They only own 47% of Girona. They do, but Girona don't own Savio he was only on loan. Troyes have been relegated and are not in the CL. The issue with these multi club ownership transfers seems to be if both clubs are in the same euro competition. Nice and United are, Troyes and City aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The City Group own Troyes out right. They only own 47% of Girona. You can do deals between owned clubs (AFAIK?) but not when in the same competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 looking at skys transfer tracker they're saying southampton and west ham are lining up a player swap and chelsea and forest are in talks about swapping murillo and chalobah with murillo potentially being £70m - if chelsea pay that for him then you can absolutely forget about any of our deals looking inflated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I'm sure I heard the PL get a small percentage of any player transfer. So they are probably shitting there pants of the amount of money coming in this window with all the swaps. They won't wantit to become a regular occurance, even though it's a good way of dealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 18 minutes ago, villa4europe said: looking at skys transfer tracker they're saying southampton and west ham are lining up a player swap and chelsea and forest are in talks about swapping murillo and chalobah with murillo potentially being £70m - if chelsea pay that for him then you can absolutely forget about any of our deals looking inflated More and more teams will start doing it, they can't punish everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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