Tomaszk Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, AshVilla said: B 100% Not having CL revenue next season will be a big setback in terms of the project. This is so boring but correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 It’s B all day long but we can do both. One last push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted April 16 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 16 (edited) 19 minutes ago, duke313 said: Quick Poll. A or B. a) Win ECL and finish 5th with no CL b) Knocked out of ECL and finish 4th A... Any other answer is mental imo! In twenty years from now are we all going to meet up and talk about that season we finished 4th. Getting 4th doesn't guarantee anything, and if it's the only reason we hang on to a few players then what happens the next season if we don't finish top 4 and they leave anyway. Nothing in the future is guaranteed! If I die in June I'd rather die thinking of the trophy we have won that how we finished 4th... Trophy. All. Day. Long. Fwiw we are definitely finishing 4th so it's a hypothetical. Edited April 16 by Villan_of_oz 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted April 16 VT Supporter Share Posted April 16 (edited) 10 minutes ago, duke313 said: Double post... Edited April 16 by Villan_of_oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 35 minutes ago, duke313 said: Call me mad. But I have a feeling Liverpool are going to go all out attack and get back in the tie. hello.... Edited April 16 by imavillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayEm Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 14 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: God what's happened to my quote there...?! It's an individual match thing. A win is the same for us as it is for City. Big old calculation hanging around the middle. Currently it's... GER 17.214 - 16.750 ENG If Arsenal and City both win tomorrow it'll be... GER 17.214 - 18.125 ENG City and Arsenal playing each other means you can project quite far ahead. Is that 18.125 just after tomorrow, or taking into account the guaranteed points from the semi final? Just asking as you mentioned projecting far ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 19 minutes ago, duke313 said: Quick Poll. A or B. a) Win ECL and finish 5th with no CL b) Knocked out of ECL and finish 4th A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, jayEm said: Is that 18.125 just after tomorrow, or taking into account the guaranteed points from the semi final? Just asking as you mentioned projecting far ahead If they both win. We can add on... 4 points for them both winning, 2 each 2 points for them both appearing in SF 4 points because there are 4 points to be handed out during the two SF matches. Doesn't matter the results, England get 4 points 1 point for one team being in the final So two wins is as good as 11 points being plonked through the coefficient wood chipper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: A... Any other answer is mental imo! In twenty years from now are we all going to meet up and talk about that season we finished 4th. Getting 4th doesn't guarantee anything, and if it's the only reason we hang on to a few players then what happens the next season if we don't finish top 4 and they leave anyway. Nothing in the future is guaranteed! If I die in June I'd rather die thinking of the trophy we have won that how we finished 4th... Trophy. All. Day. Long. Fwiw we are definitely finishing 4th so it's a hypothetical. Look at Newcastle this season. They had some good games that will be remembered by their fan base. But look at west ham last season. Winning something. A whole different feeling. Fans loved it. I am trophy before money all day long . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: If they both win. We can add on... 4 points for them both winning, 2 each 2 points for them both appearing in SF 4 points because there are 4 points to be handed out during the two SF matches. Doesn't matter the results, England get 4 points 1 point for one team being in the final So two wins is as good as 11 points being plonked through the coefficient wood chipper. 2 semi games can end in draws can they not? Not sure how the penalty game would count, but that would give 3 points the ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Alakagom said: 2 semi games can end in draws can they not? Not sure how the penalty game would count, but that would give 3 points the ceiling. Draw is 1 each. Win is 2 for winner, 0 for loser. Pens/ET don't add anything. 4 points to be handed out across both matches regardless of any results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 34 minutes ago, duke313 said: Quick Poll. A or B. a) Win ECL and finish 5th with no CL b) Knocked out of ECL and finish 4th It literally has to be B. There’s a lot riding on being in the champions league which will mean a whole load of progression and commercial benefits. Winning a trophy would be lovely and all but as a business, we need to be playing on the big stage. Edited April 16 by Tayls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Draw is 1 each. Win is 2 for winner, 0 for loser. Pens/ET don't add anything. 4 points to be handed out across both matches regardless of any results. Thanks, again, even in worst case scenario City going out wouldn't be the end of our hopes either, Arsenal beating Bayern is crucial however and it all hinges on this tie really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Tayls said: It literally has to be B. There’s a lot riding on being in the champions league which will mean a whole load of progression and commercial benefits. Winning a trophy would be lovely and all but as a business, we need to be playing on the big stage. No. Says who? Chris Heck? As if fans have to make the business choice. Trophy is a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Tayls said: It literally has to be B. There’s a lot riding on being in the champions league which will mean a whole load of progression and commercial benefits. Winning a trophy would be lovely and all but as a business, we need to be playing on the big stage. Are you a customer, or a fan? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted April 16 Popular Post Share Posted April 16 (edited) 56 minutes ago, WHY said: It’s another sliding doors moment, we get CL we can start to build a squad capable of challenging for top 4 for seasons to come. We don’t get Top 4 we most likely will have to sell whilst other teams strengthen. It’s massive for us to get CL football next season, especially with the new format. We are guaranteed at least 8 games but more than likely a minimum of 10. You also play 8 different teams in the league stage. Newcastle finished top 4 last season and havent built a squad to continue progressing Champions League be nice but its not the be all or end all of football Edited April 16 by Zatman 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Alakagom said: Thanks, again, even in worst case scenario City going out wouldn't be the end of our hopes either, Arsenal beating Bayern is crucial however and it all hinges on this tie really. Once SFs are set it'll be easier to map out possibilities and certainties. All this % chance bollocks is coming at it wrong. I don't know where people are taking the odds from. The only place I'd ever look would be betting exchanges, even then it's not worth looking at % chances of anything when there's 100+ matches to be played. Like those shit win predictors you now see on lots of sport coverage. Oh wow, team A was 67% sure to win, but now they've conceded and they only have 28% chance. Duh. Football is a game of fine margins that's really hard to predict. We have deflected goals, players being sent off in the fifth minute and awful officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted April 16 Popular Post Share Posted April 16 40 minutes ago, duke313 said: Quick Poll. A or B. a) Win ECL and finish 5th with no CL b) Knocked out of ECL and finish 4th A. Winning a trophy is the main target of football. Finishing 4th wont be remembered in years to come 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Are we less likely to finish 4th now? Confused as we're in a far better position now than 7 days ago and really all the pressure is on Spurs now to find a couple of wins from some very difficult fixtures historically for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 5 minutes ago, duke313 said: Are you a customer, or a fan? I just want to see us turn a profit… No but seriously… we NEED champs league. Edited April 16 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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