John Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 16 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Typical, I was finally going to pull the plug on that this year. Our success has earned them a stay of execution. I got rid of it last year, who's that interested in European games, if we're not in them (I thought to myself)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 2, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2023 13 hours ago, Steero113 said: They actively encourage touching and also fiddle with your bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 German Cup Final this evening. If Leipzig win, then Frankfurt are in the Conference League, if Frankfurt win then Leverkusen are in the Conference League. I think it’s fair to say that we’d rather Frankfurt in the competition, so let’s hope Leipzig win! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Only another 83 days to go till our first leg play-off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Rich192 said: German Cup Final this evening. If Leipzig win, then Frankfurt are in the Conference League, if Frankfurt win then Leverkusen are in the Conference League. I think it’s fair to say that we’d rather Frankfurt in the competition, so let’s hope Leipzig win! Much of a muchness no. Bigger game for us is on right now. Midtjylland vs OB. If OB win we just need Fenerbahce to win Turkish Cup next week to be guaranteed seeding for play off round. Unfortunately Midtjylland 2-1 up at moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 If we're unseeded and lose in the playoff round, I'll be very upset 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, YLN said: If we're unseeded and lose in the playoff round, I'll be very upset We should know as villa fans by now that if you only need one of 7 games to go our way then that's the easiest accumulator ever 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Midtjylland won 4-2 so another result goes against for seeding purposes. They'll play Viborg away sometime next week. The thing is about the 9 or so teams that have to play a round before the draw is made. You would think that surely at least one would lose but all 9 would be heavy, heavy favourites to progress. Hopefully with football being football, that one of them would trip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdedi Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, VillaJ100 said: We should know as villa fans by now that if you only need one of 7 games to go our way then that's the easiest accumulator ever Not really the case because the playoff draw is made before the 3rd qualifying round is played. And the seeded teams will be monumental favourites in 2nd qualifying round. I think to be seeded we need both of the below: Mitjyland to lose next weekend fenerbahce to win next weekend even if we are unseeded I fancy us to beat most teams; but it would be just our luck to get a Juventus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 If we are serious about the competition we shouldn't care if we are seeded or unseeded. We need to beat these teams anyway. I'm sure Emery doesn't care in the slightest and would have full belief we'd beat any side we could face. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd prefer facing a side he has more data, videos etc to study to prepare against. Some of better European nights when we last were in the competition were against the like of Ajax. Yet we suffered going out to Russia (albeit still a decent CSKA Moscow side) and playing Rapid Vienna who had the drive to beat a Premier League side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 It is a bit surprising that the English team that qualifies by either finishing in 7th place in the most competitive league in Europe or by winning the League Cup, doesn't get seeded, but some of the lesser known clubs from leagues that are somewhat less competitive do. I know we get more spots in the CL, but for our ranking to be so low in this competition, that we need to rely on other teams results to be among the seeded qualifiers seems a bit of an unnecessary hoop for us to have to jump through. That said, I can appreciate that a lot of seeded clubs would consider us a must to avoid, if we were to be unseeded. Naturally, no offence to UEFA, the other clubs in the completion or to the leagues they qualified from is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Would be typical that we end up having every result go against us and remain unseeded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: We should know as villa fans by now that if you only need one of 7 games to go our way then that's the easiest accumulator ever I bet the bookies wouldn't take the bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post YLN Posted June 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, John said: It is a bit surprising that the English team that qualifies by either finishing in 7th place in the most competitive league in Europe or by winning the League Cup, doesn't get seeded, but some of the lesser known clubs from leagues that are somewhat less competitive do. I know we get more spots in the CL, but for our ranking to be so low in this competition, that we need to rely on other teams results to be among the seeded qualifiers seems a bit of an unnecessary hoop for us to have to jump through. That said, I can appreciate that a lot of seeded clubs would consider us a must to avoid, if we were to be unseeded. It's not a seeding attributed to the English team that wins the League Cup or finishes 7th. The club has the its own seeding based on recent European form. And Villa have done **** all in Europe for more than ten years. The league's coefficient primarily determines the number and quality of european positions, but the club co-efficient is based on the club's form in Europe. We are lucky that we are from a nation whose co-efficient is the highest in Europe, so rather than getting a zero, we get a national association based co-efficient, which is still not very high compared to if we had won a few games in Europe in the last five years, but gives us an advantage over teams from other nations who have also been recently out of Europe. On the basis of us taking the national association co-efficient (21.799), there are 75 teams ahead of us in the rankings. These 75 teams include titans such as Qarabag, Gent, Cervena Zvezda and Plzen. We need teams who do not have good recent pedigree in Europe to finish in Europa Conference places so that our national association co-efficient trumps theirs. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, YLN said: The league's coefficient primarily determines the number and quality of european positions, but the club co-efficient is based on the club's form in Europe. It's another reason why Europa Conference experience will be good for us. We will hopefully go far in the tournament and increase our co-efficient score. If we get in Europa /CL next season we will avoid most of the big teams until the later stages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Rich192 said: German Cup Final this evening. If Leipzig win, then Frankfurt are in the Conference League, if Frankfurt win then Leverkusen are in the Conference League. I think it’s fair to say that we’d rather Frankfurt in the competition, so let’s hope Leipzig win! Leipzig won 2-0. Frankfurt are the second highest seeded team in the competition so I’m struggling to see how that is to our advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, dcdedi said: I think to be seeded we need both of the below: Mitjyland to lose next weekend fenerbahce to win next weekend Just one I think - we're the highest unseeded team, so one of those 2 happening bumps us up into the seeded teams. Or a shock in the early qualifying rounds Edited June 3, 2023 by StewieGriffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2023 On 31/05/2023 at 11:10, Pinebro said: It isn't entitlement to state it's a minor competition. West Ham and Fiorentina was given 8 k tickets each for the final. Carrow Road is a bigger stadium than Eden Arena. It's a bit of a shambles the whole thing and how little attention Fifa is giving it. And imo it's a competition that should have never been created. Europa League and CL was fine as it was. Good job your opinion is worth jack shit then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 hours ago, VillaAlex said: If we are serious about the competition we shouldn't care if we are seeded or unseeded. We need to beat these teams anyway. I'm sure Emery doesn't care in the slightest and would have full belief we'd beat any side we could face. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd prefer facing a side he has more data, videos etc to study to prepare against. Some of better European nights when we last were in the competition were against the like of Ajax. Yet we suffered going out to Russia (albeit still a decent CSKA Moscow side) and playing Rapid Vienna who had the drive to beat a Premier League side. agree but it just wouldn't be ideal facing a frankfurt or a juve so early in the season when you're trying to get minutes into legs. if we get a tough start to the season then what we dont want to be faced with is a situation where we have (for instance) utd away, juve home, city home and juve away in the space of 2 weeks. you want to be playing a 'lesser' team in the playoff, batter them 4-0 in the first leg and heavily rotate for the 2nd. we draw a top team we'll need to be going full strength in both legs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 So what's the sketch now? Are we unseeded or is there still a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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