TRO Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 14 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I fully agree with Simon Jordans line where it's only " Our Club " until things need to be paid for... then suddenly it's the " Owners Club " or in this case " Chris Hecks " club/fault. Please don't try to muddle my comment with anything to do with disabled parking charges either. Hopefully none of those fans celebrate if we score... or moan if we lose due to distraction. There are better avenues to deal with this, than with these dramatics. Some people deserve wholesome Nationwide Football where they can " Take the club back " and bring football back to it's essence as that is their main concern allegedly. Obviously just my opinion and i'm open to being totally wrong in it. You are right Shaun. We both have a lot to learn from reaching the heights we have….the club and the fans, have much to discuss, in understanding each others position. We need to talk, before too much misunderstanding enters the fray. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 4 minutes ago, AshVilla said: This is massively small time and something i'd expect the likes of Everton to come up with. Please don't turn the club into a circus ffs. Totally agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DakotaVilla Posted September 7 Popular Post Share Posted September 7 7 minutes ago, TRO said: I am not in favour of this…….encroaching on the game and causing discord.This is exactly what outsiders want. This should be sorted within our own circles, by grown up debate. I am in favour of fan representative groups entering discourse with Chris Heck and attempting to put each others case forward and finding compromise. There is simply too much we don’t know for sure and jumping to conclusions on that basis is unhelpful. We have our agenda and he has his…..we need to get together and seek harmony. The football has taken us ( After years of the doldrums) to another level, let’s not let that Be marred by a dispute over prices and lack of communication. Hopefully, we can both learn from each others positions. I bet he doesn’t even turn up to the FAB meeting. Apparently he hardly shows up to them - That’s how seriously he takes engagement with the fans. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 Just now, DakotaVilla said: I bet he doesn’t even turn up to the FAB meeting. Apparently he hardly shows up to them - That’s how seriously he takes engagement with the fans. He won't. Would you turn up if you knew you were going to get abused by angry fans?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 7 Moderator Share Posted September 7 7 minutes ago, TRO said: I am in favour of fan representative groups entering discourse with Chris Heck and attempting to put each others case forward and finding compromise. There’s no evidence that Heck is remotely interested in that, and significant evidence that he is not at all interested in doing that. The evidence all points to an almost complete disregard from him for actively engaging with supporters on anything other than the most benign and banal items 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 6 minutes ago, TRO said: You are right Shaun. We both have a lot to learn from reaching the heights we have….the club and the fans, have much to discuss, in understanding each others position. We need to talk, before too much misunderstanding enters the fray. Bit too late for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 11 minutes ago, AshVilla said: This is massively small time and something i'd expect the likes of Everton to come up with. Please don't turn the club into a circus ffs. Agreed. It’s very cringey and does nothing. The options are discussion in the correct forum or just don’t turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 7 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AshVilla said: This is massively small time and something i'd expect the likes of Everton to come up with. IYKYK Edited September 7 by mjmooney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 how else are fans supposed to show there disdain at things that are going on at the club ? ok fan group meetings with the club, discussion when they don't listen? as much as i appreciate the several groups who represent the fans and give their time up, imo they are a tick box exercise from the club Heck is just not interested a visible show at the start of the game, may, just may make certain people take note 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 7 minutes ago, imavillan said: how else are fans supposed to show there disdain at things that are going on at the club ? ok fan group meetings with the club, discussion when they don't listen? as much as i appreciate the several groups who represent the fans and give their time up, imo they are a tick box exercise from the club Heck is just not interested a visible show at the start of the game, may, just may make certain people take note The most obvious way to show dissatisfaction is fans not put their money in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, imavillan said: how else are fans supposed to show there disdain at things that are going on at the club ? ok fan group meetings with the club, discussion when they don't listen? as much as i appreciate the several groups who represent the fans and give their time up, imo they are a tick box exercise from the club Heck is just not interested a visible show at the start of the game, may, just may make certain people take note It's 2024. Social Media is probably even more effective at spreading messages than internal/in game sabotage. Or just not turn up to games or buy merch etc I'm not sure why you would assume they haven't taken note. They have access to all the things we do. Edited September 7 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, imavillan said: how else are fans supposed to show there disdain at things that are going on at the club ? ok fan group meetings with the club, discussion when they don't listen? as much as i appreciate the several groups who represent the fans and give their time up, imo they are a tick box exercise from the club Heck is just not interested a visible show at the start of the game, may, just may make certain people take note Without speaking specifically about this plan for the Everton game, I think it's just a cultural thing in football in this part of the world to see such things as cringe, small time etc when they're rather common in other countries. Germany is a great example. There are heaps of cases down the years of fans often successfully protesting things such as increased ticket prices with displays, boycotts, or any number of disruptive acts. I think as recently as this year they managed to essentially make the Bundesliga give up its plan of selling its media rights income to a private equity firm by taking some the aforementioned actions. It's just more commonplace and generally accepted in some places, whereas in England there seems to often be more of an attitude of not wanting to be seen as embarrassing by fans of other clubs or whatever else. Edited September 7 by Indigo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 19 minutes ago, blandy said: There’s no evidence that Heck is remotely interested in that, and significant evidence that he is not at all interested in doing that. The evidence all points to an almost complete disregard from him for actively engaging with supporters on anything other than the most benign and banal items You are probably more aware of that, than I am. In such circumstances, I am more liable to cling to the prospect of dialogue, before I jump in with both feet. If you are right Pete, I fear there will be choppy waters to navigate, and the well being of the club will be at stake. we don’t want division at a time like this. There is of course a cold and calculated condition, that could exist, which is if we don’t like it, don’t come……If this turns out to be the case, it’s a sad day in the history of the club as we are progressing nicely….I guess the old saying of “ be careful what you wish for” is apt. Look, I am fortunate enough, to be minimally affected, so far…..but a policy of dynamic pricing does spook me. i just feel there is room to talk….If that is denied by the club, then we know where we stand, but if that stance is adopted, we must as fans have that communicated to us unambiguously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted September 7 Popular Post Share Posted September 7 I won't be involved with anything that's happening during the game itself but I get the sentiment. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 Unfortunately, a demonstration of sorts at a game is really the only way to effectively put across the feelings of the fanbase. It’s easy to say “stop buying merch” or “don’t turn up”, but how noticeable would that be. Even if 25% of the usual match-goers stay home, other fans will just get the tickets, or if they were ST seats then the ground will just look a bit emptier than normal with no clear explanation of the reason. If 10, 15, 20% of the fans at the game hold up these cards, or throw a tennis ball, or bring an inflatable, or whatever it is, a visible and vocal performance is WAY more noticeable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 24 minutes ago, imavillan said: how else are fans supposed to show there disdain at things that are going on at the club ? ok fan group meetings with the club, discussion when they don't listen? as much as i appreciate the several groups who represent the fans and give their time up, imo they are a tick box exercise from the club Heck is just not interested a visible show at the start of the game, may, just may make certain people take note My point is that let’s just say, He is struggling to raise the finances the expectations of the club are looking for. stay with me…. We just go on a protest and he wilts under the mass pressure and (gives in to our claims ) and affects other aspects of the club, we didn’t envisage. all sort of unseen effects could emanate, from protests or pressure, it doesn’t always equate to the isolated issue in dispute. At some point we have to trust the club to manage itself. I am not suggesting, I am never in favour of protest, I just think it maybe too early in a dispute for that…..Dialogue in searching out the best in each other, might still be the prudent move. If he refuses to enter dialogue, that must reach the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 12 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: It's 2024. Social Media is probably even more effective at spreading messages than internal/in game sabotage. Or just not turn up to games or buy merch etc I'm not sure why you would assume they haven't taken note. They have access to all the things we do. i get where you're coming from re social media but this game is being televised around the globe and i'm assuming Heck will be there and maybe one or both of the owners. If not maybe they'll watch it on tv. a visual demonstration at the game where they can all actually see may make a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 1 minute ago, TRO said: If he refuses to enter dialogue, that must reach the fans The FAB has already said he’s refuse to engage on this so we are past that stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted September 7 Popular Post Share Posted September 7 (edited) 22 hours ago, imavillan said: seems a demonstration is being planned for the Everton game these cards are going to be handed out with the plan to hold them up at the start of the game fair do's Fair play to these guys. As for those that see it as small time or not needed. It is certainly not small time. I can remember Liverpool doing a mass walkout a few years ago, relatively early in Klopps reign, due to an increase in ticket prices. Days after that protest the club back tracked and didn't implement the increase. I don't remember many seeing that as small time, it was merely supporters coming together to show their disdain at being exploited. As for the suggestion that fans should communicate with Heck. Well there is already a fans advisory group to allow that to happen. The problems with that from what I can gather are that Heck often doesn't attend and concerns are often ignored and not addressed/actioned. They seem pretty pointless. Really though fans should not be having to try to raise concerns after the horse has bolted the club could have called a meeting with fans representatives and explained the reasons behind the need to increase prices to exorbitant levels. In fairness this latest issue with ticket prices is just the tip of the iceberg though but it may well be the tipping point for many it seems. We've seen huge increases in season tickets/GA tickets,then the introduction of more and more GA+ tickets, the relocating of season ticket holders (in some cases to seats that don't exist), the issues with basic facilities such as toilets/access to food/drinks, poor communication at every turn and the lack of any apology when issues arise. There is clearly a lack of respect and appreciation for supporters, many of whom stayed loyal through years and years of shit and very little shine. Now there has though been a glimmer of relatively short lived shine Heck and others think they can ride roughshod and take advantage of what may well be short lived demand. It is wrong on so many levels. Edited September 8 by markavfc40 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 I get the desire for protesting. But I also think there needs to be a process to get there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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