Captain_Townsend Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: And I've also said it before and was widely laughed at. I've never felt more disassociated with this club than I have now. Everything we stand to believe in is being eroded and people can't see it. Pray the Don doesn't leave us Some of us can mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Just now, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said: But this would not expose allegations of misleading fans and the FA or giving contracts to friends. It would only focus on things like unfair dismissals, discrcimination etc. If any company was suddenly hit with a swathe of legal cases covering unfair dismissals, discrimination / bullying in the workplace, etc - then believe me there would soon be all sorts of people swarming the way that other parts of the business are being run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 32 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: Hopefully there’s enough to prove he’s broken his employment contract and he can then be fired without being paid out. In the UK there's no employment tribunal recourse, unless in case of discrimination based on a protected characteristic, unless you've been employed for two years. He can't bring an employment case against us if given the tin tack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 11 minutes ago, villa89 said: The vast majority of people who are mistreated by their employer just leave and find another job somewhere else. They don't go down the legal route for loads of really obvious reasons. And as mentioned in the letter employees would expect HR and the internal procedures to be followed, when your own HR department aren't doing anything to protect you its easier to just walk away. It seems an extremely sensible approach to me. Now the fans will kick up a fuss and start asking questions which will get the media involved. The letter also can't be traced back to anyone in particular. Hopefully they succeed in unionising, that sounds like what's needed here. But the internal procedures are all based on UK / EU employment law which is really precise in terms of what companies can and cannot do. The letter alleges that people (in relatively high positions) have been unfairly dismissed or sacked over mental health issues - which are illegal and (usually) quite easy to prove (as you have to demonstrate that every step of the HR procedures has been followed to the absolute letter otherwise the company loses its case immediately). That is the way that those things should taken. The impact of 3 or 4 people winning unfair dismissal cases is significantly more impactful on instigating a widespread investigation into the way the company is being run than posting something on Twitter. I'm not in a position to comment either way on whether the allegations ar true, partially true or just the ramblings of a disaffected person who may or may not happen to work for Villa. On the one hand there is the "no smoke without fire" argument and on the other there's the fact that there is no burden of proof in place for an anonymous post by an anonymous user on social media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GarethRDR Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 (edited) 39 minutes ago, villa89 said: when your own HR department aren't doing anything to protect you One of the earliest absolute necessity of a lessons anyone needs to learn upon entering the workplace; HR are there to protect the company, not you. Edited February 15 by GarethRDR 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, GarethRDR said: One of the earliest absolute necessity of a lessons anyone needs to learn upon entering the workplace; HR are there to protect the company, not you. This is so crucial to understand, HR serve as a barrier to protect the company from legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted February 15 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, allani said: The big red flag is that many of the alleged incidents referred to in this letter would be clear breaches of employment law that ANY lawyer specialising in this area would be confident of winning (if true). This would clearly be the route that almost all of the allegations should go down (and a lot of legal firms would take on with minimum up front fees). So why instead write an anonymous letter, post it on an anonymous Twitter account and copy in a load of fan groups who have pretty much no power / scope to do anything? It seems a very random approach. Particularly as in many cases the proper approach is so blatantly obvious - take your position to any legal firm and they'd pretty much be able to tell you in 30 minutes flat whether you have a case or not. I would imagine that if there were as many cases as alleged in this letter then there would be a lot of legal firms who would be more than delighted to have the opportunity for a big, straight-forward win. You are forgetting that many of the clubs staff are also fans, are in their dream job and really don’t want to lose that job. Going down the employment law route wouldn't fix the problem and they’d no longer have the job working for the club they love There is absolutely nothing random about this approach. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 15 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15 As has been said before, if things weren't good on the pitch, there would be serious ill feeling towards the hierarchy at villa. This letter really is the icing on the cake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 15 Moderator Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: Absolutely no **** surprise. Stop attending the meetings supporters clubs. This man is a cretin. Why would we do that at present? How do you ask the questions if you forgo your representation. It’s quite clear that this isn’t what the staff want from the letter, in fact they are also trying to protect the Supporters Trust representatives position on the FAB whilst also wanting to ask the FAB members to ask specific questions. Attending the FAB doesn’t somehow endorse Heck it puts us in a position to be able to question club over him. We all knew the club (Heck) broke the rules over the new crest and that was already an ongoing issue but without the FAB how would we oppose that? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, bickster said: You are forgetting that many of the clubs staff are also fans, are in their dream job and really don’t want to lose that job. Going down the employment law route wouldn't fix the problem and they’d no longer have the job working for the club they love There is absolutely nothing random about this approach. Hadn't considered that, but it's a valid point. Although, airing your dirty laundry in public isn't exactly a way to treat the club you love. I think there's more about this that smacks of disgruntled employee/ex than someone still there hoping for change without suing the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 13 minutes ago, GarethRDR said: One of the earliest absolute necessity of a lessons anyone needs to learn upon entering the workplace; HR are there to protect the company, not you. The sooner the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 15 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15 Knew he was a wrong 'un 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 15 Moderator Share Posted February 15 6 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Hadn't considered that, but it's a valid point. Although, airing your dirty laundry in public isn't exactly a way to treat the club you love. I think there's more about this that smacks of disgruntled employee/ex than someone still there hoping for change without suing the club. It’s not one employee, absolutely guaranteed. It's many. Lots of fans know staff members, there have been mutterings for months and all from different directions Turn that first sentence around, this also isn’t the way you’d be expected to be treated by the club you love 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Its not a good look for the club whether these allegations are true or not Though i do find the mental image of a respected executive constantly using the term c********r as if he is 12 years old and just discovered the word Maybe he's a Deadwood fan? Mods, please remove vid if in breach with site rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) It certainly seems that the performances on the field are being used to mask the increasing, awfulness of the clubs behind the scenes operations, the stuff the fans can see and are affected by, and stuff like this that has been leaked, if true. If the performances on the pitch worsen you can only imagine its all going to kick off isn't it. Owners need to get involved here where there are genuine questions over the performances of the executive team they appointed. Edited February 15 by Hank Scorpio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 (edited) 31 minutes ago, bickster said: Why would we do that at present? How do you ask the questions if you forgo your representation. It’s quite clear that this isn’t what the staff want from the letter, in fact they are also trying to protect the Supporters Trust representatives position on the FAB whilst also wanting to ask the FAB members to ask specific questions. Attending the FAB doesn’t somehow endorse Heck it puts us in a position to be able to question club over him. We all knew the club (Heck) broke the rules over the new crest and that was already an ongoing issue but without the FAB how would we oppose that? I think Heck should offer all supporters "bolt on packages" to attend the next FAB meeting - I know I'd pay £80 to be there, even if I only get burger and chips. There could also be an exclusive corporate "c*** suckers club" where, for an additional fee, he could shout "c*** sucker!" at you. I think this would go a long way to solving the FFP issues. Edited February 15 by Deano & Dalian's Umbrella 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrBlack Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 16 minutes ago, bickster said: It’s not one employee, absolutely guaranteed. It's many. Lots of fans know staff members, there have been mutterings for months and all from different directions Turn that first sentence around, this also isn’t the way you’d be expected to be treated by the club you love Why did noone proof read it then? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted February 15 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, MrBlack said: Why did noone proof read it then? Probably for the same reason you didn't proof read this post 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Why did noone proof read it then? Because it's not a job application. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Whether any of this true or not, it’s just negative news and something doesn’t feel right off the field. I can’t put my finger on what it is but just seems to be a disconnect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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