Mic09 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: I'm talking about the Sky 6. Brighton being in the top 6 is the anomaly. The Financial revenue of the sky 6 is enormous and dwarfs ours and Brightons. What you are allowed to spend on transfers under FFP is directly related to revenue. The cards are stacked. That's just the way it is. It's not really an anomaly. In fact, it's fairly usual for some team to be challenging top 6. Brighton, West Ham, Leicester off the top of my head. Heck, we weren't far off. Going beyond that is less usual, Newcastle are probably the only example of that in recent memory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Chicken Field said: At today prices, my though was that the Nkunku price is extremely reasonable. 25 year old attacking midfielder who manager 35 goals last season and 23 this season. Althoug logic would say that Chelsea have destroyed the FFP rules and should not be able to afford anything To me it was more that they also spent £50m on sterling and then £80m on the Ukrainian fella £180m in 12 months on 3 players who do the same thing Tip of the Chelsea iceberg though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 West Ham have created a tough situation for themselves by putting such a high price tag on Rice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 It's funny seeing United fans melt down that they're not able to sell their players for dodgy astronomical prices. The whole board needs to be sacked because they're *checks notes* selling their youth and dead wood for fair prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 hours ago, KAZZAM said: Arsenal spending big by the looks of it. Rice, Havertz, Timber, Lavia. Thats 200 mill alone and I'm sure they will want others. Don't get the Havertz move at all. He probably won't be as good in the false 9 role as Jesus is and you'd much rather have Odegaard in AM role. Rice will be overpriced but do a solid job. They need another experienced CM if they're selling Xhaka and Partey though. Timber makes most sense as another decent RB means they can just move Ben White across if Saliba gets another injury. I think Arsenal will struggle to make top 4 next season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 hours ago, jacketspuds said: This is why we need to follow suit and spend a similar amount this summer. It will get to a point where the Top 6 will be spending so much more than everyone else it will become even more of a challenge to break into the Top 4. FFP working its magic. There's only so many good players to go around though (and many of them will still want to sign for Man. City, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid). Rest will just be punts on development signings or players who perhaps aren't quite good enough to step up. Also bare in mind if top 6 are spending like crazy the teams actually in 5th-7th will be on the verge of crisis with managers on verge of sack. We saw the Conte meltdown and Spurs went down from 3rd to 8th pretty quickly and Chelsea's season completely imploded after sacking Potter. Klopp will be under huge pressure if Liverpool repeat what they were doing for most of this season aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 hours ago, GlobalVillan said: I'm talking about the Sky 6. Brighton being in the top 6 is the anomaly. The Financial revenue of the sky 6 is enormous and dwarfs ours and Brightons. What you are allowed to spend on transfers under FFP is directly related to revenue. The cards are stacked. That's just the way it is. Leicester were in the top 6 twice in 19/20 and 20/21, was that an anomaly aswell? Indeed if you count their miracle season Leicester actually finished top 6 three times in just five years. West Ham also finished 6th and 7th in consecutive seasons as did Wolves when they first came up. What is interesting is 5th place probably being a CL place for many seasons so that will add interesting new dynamic going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Leicester were in the top 6 twice in 19/20 and 20/21, was that an anomaly aswell? Indeed if you count their miracle season Leicester actually finished top 6 three times in just five years. West Ham also finished 6th and 7th in consecutive seasons as did Wolves when they first came up. What is interesting is 5th place probably being a CL place for many seasons so that will add interesting new dynamic going forward. Leicester were definitely an anomaly. The fact is that very few teams outside the sky 6 have EVER qualified for the CL in jts current format. Newcastle have, Blackburn back in 95 Leicester and I think Everton lost on the qualifiers. In 30 years there's been hardly anyone outside the sky 5 that have made the CL. Yeah a lot more teams have managed to finish 6th or 7th now and again but thats hardly a threat to the elite is it? Edited June 20, 2023 by GlobalVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Leicester were definitely an anomaly. The fact is that very few teams outside the sky 6 have EVER qualified for the CL in jts current format. Newcastle have, Blackburn back in 95 Leicester and I think Everton lost on the qualifiers. In 30 years there's been hardly anyone outside the sky 5 that have made the CL. Yeah a lot more teams have managed to finish 6th or 7th now and again but thats hardly a threat to the elite is it? Constant european qualification should be a target for us in next five years. Will mean we can keep building up the squad to have one season where hopefully everything clicks and we can have a serious go at 4th or 5th. And of course try to win the europa league which has its own qualification for CL. There's plenty to look forward to regardless of what other clubs are doing given we tend to have a good run in one of the domestic cups on average every 5 years so due one in next two seasons. Edited June 20, 2023 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Constant european qualification should be a target for us in next five years. Will mean we can keep building up the squad to have one season where hopefully everything clicks and we can have a serious go at 4th or 5th. And of course try to win the europa league which has its own qualification for CL. There's plenty to look forward to given we tend to have a good run in one of the domestic cups on average every 5 years so due one in next two seasons. Winning the EL is by far our best chance to ever play in the CL. Man United (after Qatar buy them) Newcastle and Man City being owned.by oil states and getting away with flouting the laws, leaves just 1 or 2 places to play for. Liverpool will follow suit and then those 4 will ve long gone. That'd leave 1 possible place each year and Arsenal won't be far behind for a M.E investment. It really will be a closed shop. If it isn't already. We need to win the EL. Edited June 20, 2023 by GlobalVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just now, GlobalVillan said: Winning through EL is by far our best chance to ever play in the CL. Man Unkted, Newcastle and Man City being owned.by oil states and getting away with flouting the laws, leaves just 1 or 2 places to play for. Liverpool will follow suit and then those 4 will he long gone. That'd leave 1 possible place each year and Arsenal won't be far behind for a M.E investment. Closed shop. We need to win the EL. Man. United have finished outside top 4 perhaps five times since Fergie retired in 2013 so they're not the lock they used to be despite spending endless money in that period. Liverpool are going through a bit of austerity mode currently so they will remain vulnerable next season and plenty of their first choices like VVD, Fabiano, Henderson, Robertson and Salah are all 30 or over so add in Klopp maybe leaving in two years and I think they'll remain within catching distance. Even Man. City will drop off a bit once Pep f***s off although that will be more in 75-80 point bracket rather than the 90 + they currently hit so won't really affect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Man. United have finished outside top 4 perhaps five times since Fergie retired in 2013 so they're not the lock they used to be despite spending endless money in that period. Liverpool are going through a bit of austerity mode currently so they will remain vulnerable next season and plenty of their first choices like VVD, Fabiano, Henderson, Robertson and Salah are all 30 or over so add in Klopp maybe leaving in two years and I think they'll remain within catching distance. Even Man. City will drop off a bit once Pep f***s off although that will be more in 75-80 point bracket rather than the 90 + they currently hit so won't really affect us. Im clearly talking about the present and very near future because of ownership. What's the past got to do with the oil states ownership?? Man United are being bought out by Qatar. That will lock them in as a CL side Liverpool will be bought out soon enough and that too will make it virtually certain they'll be CL each season. Man City will not be dropping out of the top 4 WHOEVER manages them. That's horse has well and truly bolted. The state owned clubs will spend absolute fortunes on transfers both legally and illegally as we have seen with Man City. And nobody will ever question them because even if they did, nothing would happen. Again, see Man City for proof of that. Just see how much they all spend this summer for example. And that's before the MU takeover. Edited June 20, 2023 by GlobalVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Sandro Toonali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, GlobalVillan said: Im clearly talking about the present and very near future because of ownership. What's the past got to do with the oil states ownership?? Man United are being bought out by Qatar. That will lock them in as a CL side Liverpool will be bought out soon enough and that too will make it virtually certain they'll be CL each season. Man City will not be dropping out of the top 4 WHOEVER manages them. That's horse has well and truly bolted. The state owned clubs will spend absolute fortunes on transfers both legally and illegally as we have seen with Man City. And nobody will ever question them because even if they did, nothing would happen. Again, see Man City for proof of that. Just see how much they all spend this summer for example. And that's before the MU takeover. There's only so many good players to go around though. Look at what Chelsea have spent their 300m + on, guys with big potential like Mudryk and Enzo Fernandez, past it defender like Koulibaly and then players not good enough like Cuceralla. I assume Chelsea will improve next season but they're not a lock for top 4 whatsoever unless they win 8 of their first 10 games. Likes of Real Madrid still have that legacy pull to get the very best in still ahead of premier league with Bellingham this summer and Mbappe probably next summer aswell. There isn't endless amount of amazing players to go around. A premier league club could sign Neymar this summer but with his injuries he's past his best now so it wouldn't have been the transformational signing he would've been 3-4 years back. Casemiro was probably the best signing of any top 6 club last season but he'll need to be replaced in a couple of years. That's why it's important to get the structure right behind the scenes and with manager which excitedly we suddenly have so let's look forward to what we can do in next two years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Milan would have to be desperate to sell Tonali for anywhere near €50m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Milan would have to be desperate to sell Tonali for anywhere near €50m. I doubt he would move as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, jacketspuds said: Milan would have to be desperate to sell Tonali for anywhere near €50m. Tonali and Barella £50m each... Not going to happen is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Tonali and Barella £50m each... Not going to happen is it Tonali is a Milan fan and Barella is an Inter fan apparently, gonna be hard to shift them from where they are at, Italians don't move abroad that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Seem the Argentines have some integrity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, duke313 said: Tonali is a Milan fan and Barella is an Inter fan apparently, gonna be hard to shift them from where they are at, Italians don't move abroad that often. When they see the contract trebles their wages it won't take them long to sign for an English club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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