blandy Posted Wednesday at 17:21 Moderator Share Posted Wednesday at 17:21 41 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: in the unlikely event of an incident there’s areas of Essex will be far less populated Presumably that's why they built Dungeness out that way, or a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Wednesday at 17:47 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 17:47 27 minutes ago, blandy said: I meant by the UK, not specific to Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted Wednesday at 18:28 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 18:28 1 hour ago, blandy said: Presumably that's why they built Dungeness out that way, or a reason. I think it was Tonyh’s idea to use Dungeness, nearest landfall for prevailing winds is Calais. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Wednesday at 18:50 Moderator Share Posted Wednesday at 18:50 19 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I think it was Tonyh’s idea to use Dungeness, nearest landfall for prevailing winds is Calais. Folkstone and Dover are hoping this is true (it isn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted Wednesday at 19:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:47 12 hours ago, sidcow said: I think the plan was always to tax EVS. It was just a plan to encourage take up. Now EVs are approaching price proximity with ICE vehicles it's no longer needed. Price wise they may be similar but residuals are in the bin though. Lots of leasing companies taking a massive haircut when disposing of them. Some are only surviving as the residuals on ICE are strong. Lots of de-fleeting of EVs happening now. Teething problems are to be expected though as the tech is still in its infancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Wednesday at 19:49 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 19:49 1 minute ago, Xela said: Price wise they may be similar but residuals are in the bin though. Lots of leasing companies taking a massive haircut when disposing of them. Some are only surviving as the residuals on ICE are strong. Lots of de-fleeting of EVs happening now. Teething problems are to be expected though as the tech is still in its infancy. Meanwhile the press write countless stories saying how expensive EVs are and that no one can afford them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted Wednesday at 19:52 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:52 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Meanwhile the press write countless stories saying how expensive EVs are and that no one can afford them. They are more expensive if you are factoring in depreciation. Cost is more than sticker price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Wednesday at 19:54 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 19:54 Just now, Xela said: They are more expensive if you are factoring in depreciation. Cost is more than sticker price. Yes, I'm talking about the second hand ones. If residuals are through the floor people can easily afford one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted Wednesday at 19:55 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:55 Just now, sidcow said: Yes, I'm talking about the second hand ones. If residuals are through the floor people can easily afford one. Absolutely, you can get a lot of EV for your money second hand. As long as you are ok with slightly dated tech. then bargains galore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted Wednesday at 19:56 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 19:56 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Yes, I'm talking about the second hand ones. If residuals are through the floor people can easily afford one. I know a few people that have been jumping in the second hand EV market. A mate just snagged a very smart Jaguar ipace for a bargain price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Wednesday at 19:59 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 19:59 Just now, Xela said: . As long as you are ok with slightly dated tech. This is part of the problem. Each new vehicle is a massive leap forwards so people are holding off buying for longer in order to get the better version. And constant press trash talk destroying confidence in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted Wednesday at 20:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:09 12 minutes ago, Xela said: Absolutely, you can get a lot of EV for your money second hand. As long as you are ok with slightly dated tech. then bargains galore. and the risk that it could get a battery or EDU fault that renders it a write off because nobody can repair them. This is what has put me off picking up a nice used EV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Wednesday at 21:26 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 21:26 1 hour ago, Genie said: and the risk that it could get a battery or EDU fault that renders it a write off because nobody can repair them. This is what has put me off picking up a nice used EV. Most batteries have a very long warranty. And there is absolutely no identifiable issues with EV batteries regularly failing anyway. You're far more likely to buy an ICE vehicle and have the engine written off. Does that put you off buying an ICE vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted yesterday at 07:44 Share Posted yesterday at 07:44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted yesterday at 08:05 Share Posted yesterday at 08:05 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: It was canned because of spiralling costs, then government changed and said we had even less money than previously thought and deeply unpopular and painful cuts were needed… now they plan to bring it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted yesterday at 08:10 Share Posted yesterday at 08:10 Wasn't the story at the time that the tories were going to immediately flog off the land so that the decision couldn't be reversed, did that never come to fruition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted yesterday at 08:38 Share Posted yesterday at 08:38 Cut out the consultants, contractors and third party leaches. The Spanish just built a high speed rail line for a few billion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted yesterday at 09:30 Share Posted yesterday at 09:30 White elephant or pay again? Lose or lose. The gifts of public risk for private profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted yesterday at 09:31 Share Posted yesterday at 09:31 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Wasn't the story at the time that the tories were going to immediately flog off the land so that the decision couldn't be reversed, did that never come to fruition? and the money was going to be instead spent on fixings the roads. So what remained of the budget for HS2 has theoretically gone so it’ll be even more expensive to start it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted yesterday at 09:33 Share Posted yesterday at 09:33 There must be so many fingers in the pie here for it to be this expensive. It’s no surprise we don’t get anything done as the costs quickly become obscene Quote The total cost of upgrading a six mile (10km) section of the A9 in the Highlands is now expected to run to £308m - £111m more than originally estimated, according to a Scottish government report. bbc Nearly a third of a billion to upgrade 6 miles of existing road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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