wishywashy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) Quote If rectifying is wise, since I am stupid I still have to rectify more. The person who collaborates with Barça is not Antonio Cordón, it is his son Alejandro. The father is closer to Aston Villa with Unai Emery. And Ramon Planes is still close to Betis but has not just signed. I apologize Looks like a lot of the confusion in the Spanish media regarding Cordon somehow already working for Barcelona and simultaneously joining Villa is because it's his son doing the former. I imagine this is finalised once Ramon Planes joins Betis as his replacement, which seems close now. Edited April 21, 2023 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Welcome to the club Antonio, please find us a Brazilian winger and Spanish ball-playing defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Lange will stay I think. This guy will just be in charge of first team signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, allani said: I think Lange gets a lot of undeserved flak on here. I think he's done a pretty decent job and most of our transfers over the last few years have been successful. It wasn't his fault that FFP meant that to get from where we were under Bruce to where we are now we needed to recruit effectively two or three teams. I would say that Emi, Mings, Luiz, Kamara and Watkins (in his current form) are five outstanding signings straight off the bat who represent incredible value for money (not sure how many Lange directly "recruited"). I think some people think that he should have been able to find 11 unknown players from the 3rd division of some a European league, signed them and seen them all turn into £60 million + players within 6 months. Had Brighton signed the five players above I am sure that many on here would be exclaiming "Why is it always Brighton? How comes we never sign those type of players?". Brighton have made some exceptional signings but they have also signed plenty of duds - they're also the exception to the rule. If you look at clubs who might be our direct competitors (Everton, West Ham, Leicester, Wolves, Newcastle) then our recruitment over the last 4 or 5 seasons in comparison to them has been pretty good. That's not to say that we can't do better and the 3 guys mentioned above seem to have an excellent track record in Spain - so it will be interesting to see whether they can have similar success here (if they do indeed sign for us). I suspect that the Spanish / South American market is going to be rich pickings for us over the coming windows given Emery's reputation and the fact that we've got a good core of young players in key positions doing well here already. It will be much easier for players to adjust to a new club, new country, etc. That said I would be surprised if Lange is moved out completely. I'd go even further. We don't know the recruitment set up and who exactly does what. Identifying Watkins, Kamra, Emi is probably the easy bit. We know from the Cutler interview that he pushed for Emi - credit has to go for looking at the stats, taking on board advice which was different, assessing the market and actually making the right choice. But this role has to balance the budget, and take the best action possible. We got rid of Ings in January - and it's worked beautifully. If it hadn't, we'd be going crazy! And sometimes doing nothing is the right answer, no matter the noise it creates. It also has to look after the club at all levels. If Feeney, Kerr, Wilson, Kellyman are all in the first team squad in a few years - Lange and the team would be well down the list of people taking credit, but I'd imagine they we heavily involved in that success (along with Harrison and the rest of the youth set up). They have a massive wide ranging role - I suspect most of us think only about the most visible 1% on any given day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, KMitch said: Lange's recruits that he was being crucified for under Gerrard are starting to look good under Emery Let’s face it if Lange had signed De Bruyne, Halaand and Saka under Gerrard they’d all have looked crap. As were Dougie, Ollie and SJM but under The Sultan they’re now all top class PL players. At the same time that doesn’t mean he can’t be improved on or perhaps shouldn’t be found a role still at the club. People better qualified then, you and I, fortunately, have the task of making those type of decisions. Edited April 21, 2023 by DaveAV1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Pez1974 said: I suspect most of us think only about the most visible 1% on any given day. A bit like Megan Fox you mean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Rolta said: Cruzcampo is vile poison. Mahou is average but passable! Spain has a lot of great things, but the beer is beyond average. It's cheap though. This is my judgement having been living here for 7 years. As for Cordón, exciting!! Like I said the Alhambra Reserva 1925 was my favourite...give it a try? All about opinions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Villarocker said: The current top two clubs in the league have Spanish managers. On form it's the top three clubs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Pez1974 said: I'd go even further. We don't know the recruitment set up and who exactly does what. Identifying Watkins, Kamra, Emi is probably the easy bit. We know from the Cutler interview that he pushed for Emi - credit has to go for looking at the stats, taking on board advice which was different, assessing the market and actually making the right choice. But this role has to balance the budget, and take the best action possible. We got rid of Ings in January - and it's worked beautifully. If it hadn't, we'd be going crazy! And sometimes doing nothing is the right answer, no matter the noise it creates. It also has to look after the club at all levels. If Feeney, Kerr, Wilson, Kellyman are all in the first team squad in a few years - Lange and the team would be well down the list of people taking credit, but I'd imagine they we heavily involved in that success (along with Harrison and the rest of the youth set up). They have a massive wide ranging role - I suspect most of us think only about the most visible 1% on any given day. It's hard to know too much about who were biggest factors in different signings. I do feel we all agree Coutinho and Digne were pushed by Gerrard and signed off by recruitment. I think Ings was wanted by Deano as we literally had only Watkins who could play CF (plus Jack sale played into Ings sigining). Sanson, Duran, Kamara I feel was big "data driven" signings. Carlos too. Lange was brought in a few months prior to our first signings after staying up. Emi, Watkins and Cash all working out well. I feel we might see a split of the duties if we bring in Cordon. Lange keeping everything bar Coaching and Recruitment (so Emery and McKenzie move to Cordon). Unless McKenzie stays in Analytics/Data Cordon will add extra reach and contacts with Iberia and South America boosting the net 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) This whole situation is bizarre. Everyone's saying different things: now The Times are saying that Cordón isn't coming, but an old member of his staff is! Edited April 21, 2023 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, wishywashy said: This whole situation is bizarre. Everyone's saying different things: now The Times are saying that Cordón isn't coming, but an old member of his staff is! She sounds pretty definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wishywashy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Obviously, it's because we're hiring Michael Edwards and Paul Mitchell as assistants to Lange in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) Okay, starting to get the hint that Antonio Cordon might not be joining Aston Villa in the summer. EDIT: Just a slight hint. Edited April 21, 2023 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) If we do get a new sporting director ( I now see all the uk journos have just copied and pasted what the lady said no doubt not having any kind of idea what so ever apart from reading the ladies quite clear statementand pretendingthey have some inside knowledge) I think lange will move sideways to look at high potential youth world wide. So one for first team and one for the rest of the club. With it being interchangeable, so if one is looking at a youth player but sees a senior player who looks exceptionally good they would recommend that player to the first team and vice versa Edited April 21, 2023 by brummybloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, wishywashy said: Okay, starting to get the hint that Antonio Cordon might not be joining Aston Villa in the summer. EDIT: Just a slight hint. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I've heard we're hiring scout Alberto Benito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I’ve heard Antonio Corden is not joining in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) What about Antonio Benito? Is he joining? If not, maybe we should approach Alberto Cordon. Edited April 22, 2023 by Wezbid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 We probably tried to get Cordon but Barca won in the end? Will be interesting what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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