AvfcRigo82 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Juve have confirmed that Chiesa and Vlahovic are both staying for now, And planning to offer contracts, but if the right offer comes in for the former then they will consider selling him. A few days or a week or so ago FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, TRO said: Yeah...but without other attributes, of equal strength, its limited. Adama Traore is a good example......our own speedster Gabby scored 3 goals in the last 3 seasons on his tenure....Julian Joachim, was another speedy Gonzales, with a hit rate of 3.6 for us.....not good enough for top flight. Personally, In an overall sense, I don't think Johnson is good enough. You are looking at the individuals stats, look at the impact the individual has on those around him? No defence likes people running at them at pace, so they sit deeper which brings others into play. Look at the overall effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: FTFY You can live in hope I spose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, macandally said: You are looking at the individuals stats, look at the impact the individual has on those around him? No defence likes people running at them at pace, so they sit deeper which brings others into play. Look at the overall effect You could say the same thing about Bailey and Traore. Johnson's decision making is horrific and has been downright awful for Forest so far this season. He wouldn't improve us, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 28, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 hours ago, macandally said: We played Cash over Bailey yesterday? Would take Johnson over Bailey every day of the week. I think we'll end up playing Watkins, Diaby and Zaniolo - one leading the line, one with pace and one who creates. I'm not particularly against Johnson as an option, but I don't think he'd start for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 What the hell are Chelsea doing? Proper basket case, thinking players on 8/9 year contracts are actually going to be motivated to play for their wages. They must think they have found the golden goose! Pochetino is decent, but I don’t think that Bohly idiot is helping him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, OutByEaster? said: I think we'll end up playing Watkins, Diaby and Zaniolo - one leading the line, one with pace and one who creates. I'm not particularly against Johnson as an option, but I don't think he'd start for us. Yep can't wait to see that as a front 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, KMitch said: You could say the same thing about Bailey and Traore. Johnson's decision making is horrific and has been downright awful for Forest so far this season. He wouldn't improve us, IMO. I rate Steve Cooper as a coach, but he is nowhere near Emery. All our players were making bad decisions early last year, they are far better (not perfect) now. As I said, Pace is natural, the rest can be coached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Monkeypuzzle said: Is this said in jest? All our wingers are left footed. Bailey, Traore, Diaby, Zaniolo. Yeah I don’t know why I said footed. Should have just said a left winger, not too bothered whether he’s left or right footed, as long as their natural position is on the left. Feels like we have a lot of left footed right wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I'd like to see a backup out and out DM come in. Tielemans is dougie's backup but what about Kamara. Dendoncker is nowhere to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, macandally said: What the hell are Chelsea doing? Proper basket case, thinking players on 8/9 year contracts are actually going to be motivated to play for their wages. They must think they have found the golden goose! Pochetino is decent, but I don’t think that Bohly idiot is helping him! You do realise they are putting the players on relatively low wages. Mudryk cost £90m and is on £89k per week base salary. The players are on incentives, where base salary goes up with total appearances and goal contributions. They also get bonus at end of season based on the teams success and that is shared out based on what individual players contributed. So the players who join and don't perform will get little more than their base salary. It's a very smart way to motivate players and manage the wage bill. I'm sure we are moving to similar type contracts ourselves in terms of more incentive based than base salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, thabucks said: I know we are quite well stacked in centre mid but I wonder if we are one of the rumoured clubs after Azzedine Ounahi. Could he could be utilised on the left ? Quality player. Or if we’re Looking for a versatile forward / winds player Georges Mikautadze looks like he’s gunna be a real talent Ounahi just joined Marseille in January and is struggling to get off the bench for them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I think we'll end up playing Watkins, Diaby and Zaniolo - one leading the line, one with pace and one who creates. I'm not particularly against Johnson as an option, but I don't think he'd start for us. I'd say we'd see Diaby and Zaniolo swapping places mid game. McGinn seems to be doing well from LM now too. JJ is gonna have to fight to get into this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 28, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I'd say we'd see Diaby and Zaniolo swapping places mid game. McGinn seems to be doing well from LM now too. JJ is gonna have to fight to get into this team. I think we'll play those three ahead of McGinn as the most advanced of the three midfielders - Kamara and Luiz as the pivot, McGinn largely left sided in front of them, Zaniolo more advanced, with Diaby off Watkins on the right. I agree, I think JJ will struggle to get back in - he'll need to be trying to push McGinn out - but I think that we'll see both he and Tielemans get time in the European games as we rotate things. Be interesting to see how things change when Moreno comes back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 57 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Yeah I don’t know why I said footed. Should have just said a left winger, not too bothered whether he’s left or right footed, as long as their natural position is on the left. Feels like we have a lot of left footed right wingers. Now that makes much more sense! Left sided attacker is a real possibility. Although as I've previously said, we tend to use more of an attacking midfielder than winger on that side. Someone like Ramsey, Buendia or McGinn, who cuts inside more than running down the line. That is semantics though i guess. TLDR - I agree! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Chelsea reported to be looking at Smith Rowe, Raphinha and F. Torres. I’d have any of those three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Liverpool having internal discussions about signing Douglas Luiz as well apparently. The disrespect of these rumours is unbelievable. As if our wishes, or even Dougie's, don't factor in to it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, CVByrne said: You do realise they are putting the players on relatively low wages. Mudryk cost £90m and is on £89k per week base salary. The players are on incentives, where base salary goes up with total appearances and goal contributions. They also get bonus at end of season based on the teams success and that is shared out based on what individual players contributed. So the players who join and don't perform will get little more than their base salary. It's a very smart way to motivate players and manage the wage bill. I'm sure we are moving to similar type contracts ourselves in terms of more incentive based than base salary. How are you supposed to get motivated to play if you aren’t picked because the squad has 40 players in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, CVByrne said: You do realise they are putting the players on relatively low wages. Mudryk cost £90m and is on £89k per week base salary. The players are on incentives, where base salary goes up with total appearances and goal contributions. They also get bonus at end of season based on the teams success and that is shared out based on what individual players contributed. So the players who join and don't perform will get little more than their base salary. It's a very smart way to motivate players and manage the wage bill. I'm sure we are moving to similar type contracts ourselves in terms of more incentive based than base salary. So £4m a year for 8 years without too much effort? £32m guaranteed and contracted whether I play or not? Still not seeing the inventive to actually try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Good question. But Martinez waant fancied there either. Arteta is a strange one at times I mean for a keeper who is an equal calibre of player and has a longer track record and is only 6 months older. The real issue is binning off Leno for Ramsdale who is not even remotely on either of the 2s level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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