nick76 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Ings. I presume though he has profile to play out wide aswell so can alternate with Bailey. Watkins can play bit wider (not on the wing) and Dembele through the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2023 I guess I should have worded my question differently as I kinda meant in our first 11 when/if he plays. ie, do we stick with the striker and winger combination up top, or 2 strikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rolta said: Don't let that stop you forming extremely strong opinions about how shit he is. I won't, never presume... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Going by Neils stats breakdown and analysis, he's superior to both Ings and Watkins. I'm confused as to how he seem to simultaneously be highly rated but can't get a game and is also relatively cheap though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, PieFacE said: I guess I should have worded my question differently as I kinda meant in our first 11 when/if he plays. ie, do we stick with the striker and winger combination up top, or 2 strikers? Dembele through the middle with Bailey and Ollie playing slightly wider / behind? Ollie's work-rate wouldn't be lost and actually him arriving from slightly deeper might mean he's heading towards goal rather than with his back to goal and might get away a few more shots. I actually think it will vary quite a lot depending upon who and where we are playing - i.e. are we expecting to be playing on the break or are we expecting the opposition to play deep. It seems to be that Emery is less hung up on positions and is more worried about getting players attacking / defending space. So it might be difficult to know for sure who is playing where. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nick76 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, PieFacE said: I guess I should have worded my question differently as I kinda meant in our first 11 when/if he plays. ie, do we stick with the striker and winger combination up top, or 2 strikers? You would assume Dembele will be wanting to start and in the strikers role. Given he’ll have some other clubs as options, when he chats about projects and his role in that to various clubs he’ll be looking to be a key player and thus with Emery after him several times at different clubs you can assume he will play in the striker role, so imo it’s who then plays with him if a two. Looking at Emery’s past you would assume it would be Bailey based on style but hard to choose Bailey over Watkins. It could be that all three play in some formation but then if somebody like Deulofeu also comes in adds another option. I would assume though if Dembele comes in (maybe not initially) but he’ll be the starting striker within a couple of months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, PieFacE said: I guess I should have worded my question differently as I kinda meant in our first 11 when/if he plays. ie, do we stick with the striker and winger combination up top, or 2 strikers? I think we will also sign another midfielder - so that we have Kamara, Luiz and ano looking to dominate the middle 3rd - which will free up the other midfielder to be a little more focused on the attacking third. It might be that Ollie drops back more that the other two when we don't have the ball as he is pretty good at pressing - although Bailey might be "listed" as the midfielder with Dembele and Ollie up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, messi11 said: Ings > Ollie, by a mile based on that…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Going by Neils stats breakdown and analysis, he's superior to both Ings and Watkins. I'm confused as to how he seem to simultaneously be highly rated but can't get a game and is also relatively cheap though? Had an injury to start the season and his replacement is Lacazette who has 15 goal contributions in 19 games. And obviously Lacazettes overall play is very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, messi11 said: Interesting that Dembele's defensive / pressing stats are better than Ollie's. I was expecting his attacking stats to be higher than Ollie's but hopefully he's another who will be working hard off the ball - just has a bit more composure when he has it (although having 2 CFs who don't pass the ball might be an issue). I'm taking it with a pinch of salt because Ings has higher defensive stats than either of them but that doesn't appear to represent what we've seen on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, nick76 said: Ings > Ollie, by a mile based on that…. I like to see how Watkins compares to Midfielders. Because he's not a striker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 He was captain at one point last season. I reckon refusing to sign a new contract along with laca’s form is why he doesn’t play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Had an injury to start the season and his replacement is Lacazette who has 15 goal contributions in 19 games. And obviously Lacazettes overall play is very good. That's also a reminder about the difference between leagues. At Lyon, Lacazette has 15 goal contributions in 19 games this season (11 goals). Last season Arsenal got rid of him because his numbers were awful (4 goals in 30 games). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: That's also a reminder about the difference between leagues. At Lyon, Lacazette has 15 goal contributions in 19 games this season (11 goals). Last season Arsenal got rid of him because his numbers were awful (4 goals in 30 games). His last season at Arsenal had 11 goal contributions, 4 of which were goals, in 30 games. In terms of minutes apparently it was circa 1800, so an average of 60 mins per game, or the equivalent of 20 full games. I'd certainly take that over relying on Watkins, Duran and and Bailey for the rest of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 If the £3m fee is correct, then it's a no brainer signing him now rather than in the summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Going by Neils stats breakdown and analysis, he's superior to both Ings and Watkins. I'm confused as to how he seem to simultaneously be highly rated but can't get a game and is also relatively cheap though? Could be an attitude thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: If the £3m fee is correct, then it's a no brainer signing him now rather than in the summer. What’s the wage and sign on. the wage is the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: If the £3m fee is correct, then it's a no brainer signing him now rather than in the summer. Yes, if we wait until summer then it’s better to look elsewhere anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 The interesting stat in the comparison @messi11 posted is progressive passes recd . Buendia and McGinn: rub hands gleefully! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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