villa4europe Posted Tuesday at 19:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:55 30 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I don’t see how any of that is relevant to be honest It is relevant though, it's obviously hand ball but it's not judged as being a different phase of play? How do they differentiate between phases on handball, or fouls and then offsides? Because offsides are seemingly seconds or literally one pass and it's deemed perfectly fine as it's a different phase Not overly bothered by it as it ultimately meant nothing and it was such a clear cut handball in the first place but the whole thing just seems like an inconsistent mess - of their own making My commentator never actually said either but they checked the second goal for handball, I bet that was Ollie as he got booted in the air and landed on the ball, they got the decision right there but it's **** madness that they even checked and thought about that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefeet1980 Posted Tuesday at 19:58 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:58 There’ll be plenty of games in which Duran can start - Wycombe for one. It’s a good problem to have for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted Tuesday at 19:58 VT Supporter Share Posted Tuesday at 19:58 Just now, villa4europe said: It is relevant though, it's obviously hand ball but it's not judged as being a different phase of play? How do they differentiate between phases on handball, or fouls and then offsides? Because offsides are seemingly seconds or literally one pass and it's deemed perfectly fine as it's a different phase Not overly bothered by it as it ultimately meant nothing and it was such a clear cut handball in the first place but the whole thing just seems like an inconsistent mess - of their own making My commentator never actually said either but they checked the second goal for handball, I bet that was Ollie as he got booted in the air and landed on the ball, they got the decision right there but it's **** madness that they even checked and thought about that It’s a blatant handball where we literally took the ball up the pitch to score. It’s not like we lost possession or passed it 50 times afterwards. I agree it’s inconsistent and that’s massively frustrating. I just think it’s hard to be annoyed when it was extremely obviously the right outcome. There’s no way play should have continued. If that happened the other way round we’d all be applauding it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted Tuesday at 19:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:59 16 minutes ago, TDR V2 said: I have a feeling he is affecting Ollie. Ollie needs to cop on realise they are different types of strikers... Ollies demeanour has changed this season If that's the case then I'm sorry but tough, we do what's best for the club, not Ollie. Look at how Digne has responded, he's come on leaps and bounds. I love Ollie but he can't have it all unless it's deserved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Tuesday at 20:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:01 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It’s a blatant handball where we literally took the ball up the pitch to score. It’s not like we lost possession or passed it 50 times afterwards. I agree it’s inconsistent and that’s massively frustrating. I just think it’s hard to be annoyed when it was extremely obviously the right outcome. There’s no way play should have continued. If that happened the other way round we’d all be applauding it Irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Tuesday at 20:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:02 46 minutes ago, Jareth said: Begs the question how long do they give it? I think it should be equal to a ref playing advantage. From memory, Onana controls it (with his hand), passes out wide to Digne(?) who finds Duran to score. Irrespective of time - within reason - it’s had a direct impact on the goal being scored. Right decision to disallow it IMO; just a shame given the quality of the strike. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted Tuesday at 20:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:02 17 minutes ago, JPJCB said: Watkins performs best when he’s backed fully by the manager which points to him starting every game, most likely on his own up front. It's probably Watkins that needs to mature, rather than Duran then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Tuesday at 20:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:07 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: From memory, Onana controls it (with his hand), passes out wide to Digne(?) who finds Duran to score. Irrespective of time - within reason - it’s had a direct impact on the goal being scored. Right decision to disallow it IMO; just a shame given the quality of the strike. I'm being a dick. I do think there has to be a limit to how far they go back, I think different passage of play is what they go back to but we hardly stole it unfairly. Not sure yet another rule helps, and yes probs just salty cos what a finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted Tuesday at 20:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:08 Just curious is there anyone else out there who doesn't believe this kid will one day be, at worst, the 2nd best striker in the world behind Haaland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted Tuesday at 20:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:08 He saying he hates Onana now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Tuesday at 20:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:10 Just now, Jareth said: I'm being a dick. I do think there has to be a limit to how far they go back, I think different passage of play is what they go back to but we hardly stole it unfairly. Not sure yet another rule helps, and yes probs just salty cos what a finish I think the time is less relevant - again, within reason - than what actually happens. This is 2 passes from a goal. If it was more, or if they intercepted the ball then we won it back, I think it stands. But 2 passes of which the first comes about because the ball is handled? Just seems sensible to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDR V2 Posted Tuesday at 20:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:13 13 minutes ago, chrisvilla4 said: If that's the case then I'm sorry but tough, we do what's best for the club, not Ollie. Look at how Digne has responded, he's come on leaps and bounds. I love Ollie but he can't have it all unless it's deserved. I wasnt defending him and I was just commenting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Tuesday at 20:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:14 Just now, bobzy said: I think the time is less relevant - again, within reason - than what actually happens. This is 2 passes from a goal. If it was more, or if they intercepted the ball then we won it back, I think it stands. But 2 passes of which the first comes about because the ball is handled? Just seems sensible to me. Deffo more than 2 passes. Time, and distance for me, it's not close when he handles it, plenty of territory for them to stop the goal from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted Tuesday at 20:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:15 1 minute ago, bobzy said: I think the time is less relevant - again, within reason - than what actually happens. This is 2 passes from a goal. If it was more, or if they intercepted the ball then we won it back, I think it stands. But 2 passes of which the first comes about because the ball is handled? Just seems sensible to me. It was more wasn't it? Onana laid it off to Tielemans who played it in the Duran, cos it's then Duran with a good pass out to digne, I was still admiring the pass when he scored Like I said to me it's more the whole phase of play thing and where they draw it back to, on offsides they seemingly use every pass as a new phase* but here where is the line? Stevo is right I can't be pissed over it because it's so obviously the right decision * And to be fair I detest how they do phases of play for offside, it's utter nonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted Tuesday at 20:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:19 What a finish, shame it didn't count. This kid is special, let's just hope he keeps his head on his shoulders. Massive credit to whomever scouted him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG23 Posted Tuesday at 20:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:30 (edited) 22 minutes ago, WooJung said: What a finish, shame it didn't count. This kid is special, let's just hope he keeps his head on his shoulders. Massive credit to whomever scouted him Every time I see him I just think how far can this guy go if he works hard and keeps a level head. Would have been wasted at West Ham, he is so much better than that. Edited Tuesday at 20:42 by AJG23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted Tuesday at 20:40 VT Supporter Share Posted Tuesday at 20:40 Pretty much every other club's fans would love to have him at their club now and are very jealous that he's with us. I really hope we keep him, but we're going to make serious bank if we do have to sell for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted Tuesday at 20:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:41 His connection with the ball when shooting is so pure. Don't think I've seen him scuff a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Tuesday at 20:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:59 44 minutes ago, Jareth said: Deffo more than 2 passes. Time, and distance for me, it's not close when he handles it, plenty of territory for them to stop the goal from there. 43 minutes ago, villa4europe said: It was more wasn't it? Onana laid it off to Tielemans who played it in the Duran, cos it's then Duran with a good pass out to digne, I was still admiring the pass when he scored Like I said to me it's more the whole phase of play thing and where they draw it back to, on offsides they seemingly use every pass as a new phase* but here where is the line? Stevo is right I can't be pissed over it because it's so obviously the right decision * And to be fair I detest how they do phases of play for offside, it's utter nonsense Yeah, I’m misremembering wildly …although I still think the time is irrelevant. It directly leads to us scoring from winning possession in that manner. I have no idea what a “phase” is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted Tuesday at 21:00 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:00 18 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: His connection with the ball when shooting is so pure. Don't think I've seen him scuff a shot. If he does we'll know who to blame 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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