rodders0223 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Just now, Keener window-cleaner said: I think what I struggle to fully understand is in what way he has treated us as shit here, I didn't read those comments quite that harsch. Perhaps he didn't intend to say that WH are a bigger club than us, but just that he was honored that a big club showed interest, which WH is from where he comes. Like a player on the fringes in Real Madrid would say he is flattered that a big club like Villa wants him, I don't see a big problem with that. Don't disagree at all that he seems to be a tool though, his antics on the pitch shows that, and that's partly why I'd sell him. The guy has been twerking for a move since about 6 months into his contract. Thoroughly unprofessional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Big West Ham fan account saying it’s Orford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 25 VT Supporter Share Posted July 25 The thing with Duran is, we all know on paper he could be a brilliant player - he's got the physique and the ability to play at the highest level, and there's flashes that he has the other abilities than would get him there and keep him there. The problem is he appears to be 'a character', probably still quite immature, and that doesn't work when you're on a world that's about discipline and dedication first and foremost - Unai carefully saying he's hard work, McGinn effectively saying his head is on a different planet, that's indicative that you may have personality fit issues or that you need to take the edges off and focus. It's fairly clear he didn't really know what he was getting into when he came here, and to be honest he's landed on his feet coming here, but he seems not to have realised that, or his face doesn't fit so to speak, or he just wants the London glamour and the biggest salary as fast as possible and **** everything else. Either way he doesn't seem to enjoy being here, he isn't going to be dislodging Watkins anytime soon... It's probably best for everyone he pisses off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 The club had been linked to Orford previously so it would make sense if he were the player involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, Chindie said: The thing with Duran is, we all know on paper he could be a brilliant player - he's got the physique and the ability to play at the highest level, and there's flashes that he has the other abilities than would get him there and keep him there. The problem is he appears to be 'a character', probably still quite immature, and that doesn't work when you're on a world that's about discipline and dedication first and foremost - Unai carefully saying he's hard work, McGinn effectively saying his head is on a different planet, that's indicative that you may have personality fit issues or that you need to take the edges off and focus. It's fairly clear he didn't really know what he was getting into when he came here, and to be honest he's landed on his feet coming here, but he seems not to have realised that, or his face doesn't fit so to speak, or he just wants the London glamour and the biggest salary as fast as possible and **** everything else. Either way he doesn't seem to enjoy being here, he isn't going to be dislodging Watkins anytime soon... It's probably best for everyone he pisses off. I think you've answered it as to what he wants with the comment about Watkins What if he didn't want London, he didn't want money, he just wants to play.... West ham can give him 40 starts a year, we can't give him half that I kind of know why fans are so harsh on players that leave us and there's definitely a bit of billy big bollocks run before you can walk going on here but at the same time this kid seems singled out for some at times bizarre negativity from our fan base, there's every danger he plays a lot at west ham, he scores a lot at west ham and then within 2 years he's making noise about going to a bigger club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steero113 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: I kind of know why fans are so harsh on players that leave us and there's definitely a bit of billy big bollocks run before you can walk going on here but at the same time this kid seems singled out for some at times bizarre negativity from our fan base, there's every danger he plays a lot at west ham, he scores a lot at west ham and then within 47 seconds he's making noise about going to a bigger club Just changed that last bit to reflect reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 25 VT Supporter Share Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I think you've answered it as to what he wants with the comment about Watkins What if he didn't want London, he didn't want money, he just wants to play.... West ham can give him 40 starts a year, we can't give him half that I kind of know why fans are so harsh on players that leave us and there's definitely a bit of billy big bollocks run before you can walk going on here but at the same time this kid seems singled out for some at times bizarre negativity from our fan base, there's every danger he plays a lot at west ham, he scores a lot at west ham and then within 2 years he's making noise about going to a bigger club I'd have time for that, people can appreciate when it's better for the player's career when an opportunity comes up elsewhere, particularly a young player. The difference is he's been openly flirting with leaving since he barely set foot on the door and there's not really ever been that much feeling he's bought in to his position and his place here. So yeah, it's not a love affair, and it's not hatred either, is probably just best he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted July 25 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 25 You need a replacement. You can't play a season with only Watkins as striker. Santiago Gimenez: young and a goalscorer. Or Fōtīs Iōannidīs: he could be a bargain and a great deal. Plus Joao Felix in place of Diaby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 5 minutes ago, jigen said: You need a replacement. You can't play a season with only Watkins as striker. Santiago Gimenez: young and a goalscorer. Or Fōtīs Iōannidīs: he could be a bargain and a great deal. Plus Joao Felix in place of Diaby. You are starting to look like Santiago Gimenez's agent at this stage chief. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, jigen said: You need a replacement. You can't play a season with only Watkins as striker. Santiago Gimenez: young and a goalscorer. Or Fōtīs Iōannidīs: he could be a bargain and a great deal. Plus Joao Felix in place of Diaby. You're just making up your own vocabulary now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 22 minutes ago, jigen said: You need a replacement. You can't play a season with only Watkins as striker. Santiago Gimenez: young and a goalscorer. Or Fōtīs Iōannidīs: he could be a bargain and a great deal. Plus Joao Felix in place of Diaby. Someone's been playing football manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 £30m + Oscar Borg, get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 25 Moderator Share Posted July 25 If you want to talk about Orford, please use another thread (start one, or use the Transfer thread). Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 56 minutes ago, jigen said: You need a replacement. You can't play a season with only Watkins as striker. Santiago Gimenez: young and a goalscorer. Or Fōtīs Iōannidīs: he could be a bargain and a great deal. Plus Joao Felix in place of Diaby. You’re proud of those accents, I know it. I don’t blame you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) Loannidis is a baller to be fair, I'm always watching the Greek super league... I think we should go for Freddy Adu, Moses Ashikodi and Cherno Samba Edited July 25 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) The price is 35m West Ham not 30m + orford or 30m + a packet of crisps. Pay up or do one. Edited July 25 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Yellow box from Sky, they seem confident this swap deal is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Some interesting reading on the KUMB site including: "Orford is considered to be the best of the youngsters, but to me Earthy and Potts are at least as good, and Casey and Kelly don’t look too far off. There are also rumblings that Orford’s father is very difficult." "I've seen him play a couple of times, big potential. He captained the England U18s in their last game. Seems mad to let him go." "The Orford inclusion would help this year's PSR as well as it would probably mean Duran's amortisation would be offset by the Orford profit. Duran at £35m (£30m cash + £5m Orford) 35m/5 year contract = £7m per year Amortisation less £5m profit (all accounted this year) = £2m his year amortisation." "He must have another year left or Villa would just take him for free? If we don't think he will make it, £5m is a good deal. But these young lads cost little and are effectively lottery tickets. Villa have done well with youth lately and it makes me wonder what they see." Seems that West Ham don't want to meet our asking price and can see we want him gone. We were linked with the player 12 months ago, he hasn't signed a new deal with them and they see this as a way to make this work. Depends if UE sees it that way. I would want a sell on option as well, but in the absence of any other interest £30m-£35m & Orford & a 20% sell on clause, would perhaps temp us? KUMB link: https://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=187955&start=20520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Nearly there now… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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