sharkyvilla Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: And I'll take it a step further The masterplan is a better album than any other band managed to put out in the 90s Nevermind, ok computer, different class, whatever you want...masterplan is better There are some quality songs that didn't even make the Masterplan as well. Noel's output between 94 and 97 was insane. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: And I'll take it a step further The masterplan is a better album than any other band managed to put out in the 90s Nevermind, ok computer, different class, whatever you want...masterplan is better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 I was never that fussed about the song, but I always found it strange that Round Are Way wasn’t included on The Masterplan. It was a regular feature in set lists, it’s a bit of a fan favourite, Ewan McGregor sings it in a movie FFS, it’s an obvious one to include. But apparently not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: tbf half the people at these oasis gigs wont have been born when they did it either amuses me that so many people are getting worked up about the youngsters getting tickets though , didn't release you couldn't enjoy a band unless you were already alive when they were successful .. does that mean @mjmooney can listen to Mozart , but I'm not allowed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 31 minutes ago, bobzy said: The problem always lies with the communicator. You're just using "very famous/popular" incorrectly. Nope, you are just using limited knowledge badly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 Gimme Shelter Under My Thumb Sympathy for the Devil Let it Bleed Midnight Rambler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Nope, you are just using limited knowledge badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: She's probably another example if the truth be known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, bickster said: Gimme Shelter Under My Thumb Sympathy for the Devil Let it Bleed Midnight Rambler Again though, late 1960s, a time when albums and singles and the music industry was a very different market Do it for Radiohead, or nirvana, or pulp, or red hot chili peppers, or blur...I'll wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Right, but... who the **** are The Buzzcocks and Magazine? Which I think is more the point that's being made. I kinda get not knowing Magazine (although I'd bet you've heard The Light Pours Out of Me), but the Buzzcocks? Blimey. They're pretty bloody huge from an influential point of view, and are credited as being one of the establishing bands of the whole 'Indie' scene and surely you've heard some of their songs? Anyway, going off topic so I'll bow out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Right, but... who the **** are The Buzzcocks and Magazine? Which I think is more the point that's being made. I'm not being funny but this ridiculous. I know VT has a lot of specialist music fans on here but Buzzcocks are a legendary band. I know less about Magazine but I know enough to know the were a highly influential important band. Just because you personally don't know their music doesn't invalidate the argument. I couldn't name a single Charlie XCX song, or any song by Usher or any number of massive selling Rappers. Does this make them nobody's? There are plenty of people around the world who won't be able to name a single Oasis song or know of their existence even so I guess Masterplan doesn't even qualify. Infact FWIW I had fallen out of love with Oasis before Masterplan was released after buying their first 3 albums, and until I read it 10 minutes ago on here I wasn't even aware it was a b sides album. So that's a gap in my knowledge filled. Back to the point that started all this Wikipedia has a list of bands who have released b side albums and it's extensive and contains some massive bands, so there really is nothing unique about Oasis doing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B-side_compilation_albums Edited September 5 by sidcow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 Shall I start on the REM ones next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, bickster said: Shall I start on the REM ones next? Thom Yorke has one. You probably don't know him though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 minutes ago, bickster said: She's probably another example if the truth be known The....album tracks and b-sides from her films? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Again though, late 1960s, a time when albums and singles and the music industry was a very different market Do it for Radiohead, or nirvana, or pulp, or red hot chili peppers, or blur...I'll wait Radiohead would be an absolute prime example They managed to make an extra album out of the studio sessions for Kid A and Amnesiac and rarely release singles. Radiohead plays on Spotify (which appears to be some kind of odd metric used here) Jigsaw Falling into place 201 million plays Weird Fishes / Arpeggi 211 million plays Just 182 million plays (non single from The Bends which has a ludicrous number of singles on it) (and was inspired by some never heard of band called Magazine ) All I need - 142 million plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 5 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5 “Just” was a single, wasn’t it? @bickster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: “Just” was a single, wasn’t it? @bickster Hard to remeber with the Bends tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Something that Richard Osman said the other day which I thought was amusing, until Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants was released, Gary Glitter used to receive more income from Oasis royalties than Liam Gallagher did. (Glitter's sample on Hello, versus Liam's first song-writing credit on the [terrible] Little James). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Designer1 said: I kinda get not knowing Magazine (although I'd bet you've heard The Light Pours Out of Me), but the Buzzcocks? Blimey. They're pretty bloody huge from an influential point of view, and are credited as being one of the establishing bands of the whole 'Indie' scene and surely you've heard some of their songs? Anyway, going off topic so I'll bow out 30 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm not being funny but this ridiculous. I know VT has a lot of specialist music fans on here but Buzzcocks are a legendary band. I know less about Magazine but I know enough to know the were a highly influential important band. Just because you personally don't know their music doesn't invalidate the argument. I couldn't name a single CHARLIE Xcx song, or any song by Usher or any number of massive selling Rappers. Does this make them NOBODY'S? There are plenty of people around the world who won't be able to name a single Oasis song or know of thee existence even so I guess Masterplan doesn't even qualify. Happy to fall on it possibly being an age thing - but, equally, think that sort of disqualifies even the band being very famous let alone some unreleased songs which @bickster claimed are, in themselves, very famous/popular. Having Wiki'd (because, again, no cultural reference for me) it seems that neither band had a top 10 single nor album; more (in The Buzzcocks instance) that they've been influential for a host of bands coming through in a particular type of genre. There's loads of bands like that. In the heavy rock world that I enjoy, Deftones would be credited as having huge influence but I wouldn't consider that band to be very famous/popular, let alone any songs, because it's such a specific route of music. Fame doesn't work like that. I don't like Oasis, but I could name a whole host of their songs. Every single album they've released has been #1 in the UK album chart. They've had tons of top 10 singles (including 8 #1s). That feels like an entirely different beast. I'd wager the majority of people on here could name 5 Oasis songs. Can the majority name 5 songs from The Buzzcocks or Magazine? I'd wager not, but happy to be proven wrong! (Edit: And for sidcow, I didn't say they're nobodies! Just disputing the very famous/popular part. FWIW, I don't think either Charli XCX would come under that category at all - although Usher probably does). Edited September 5 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5 Moderator Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, bobzy said: Happy to fall on it possibly being an age thing - but, equally, think that sort of disqualifies even the band being very famous let alone some unreleased songs which @bickster claimed are, in themselves, very famous/popular. Having Wiki'd (because, again, no cultural reference for me) it seems that neither band had a top 10 single nor album; more (in The Buzzcocks instance) that they've been influential for a host of bands coming through in a particular type of genre. There's loads of bands like that. In the heavy rock world that I enjoy, Deftones would be credited as having huge influence but I wouldn't consider that band to be very famous/popular, let alone any songs, because it's such a specific route of music. Fame doesn't work like that. I don't like Oasis, but I could name a whole host of their songs. Every single album they've released has been #1 in the UK album chart. They've had tons of top 10 singles (including 8 #1s). That feels like an entirely different beast. I'd wager the majority of people on here could name 5 Oasis songs. Can the majority name 5 songs from The Buzzcocks or Magazine? I'd wager not, but happy to be proven wrong! Oh god we're back to famous again? Please no we had this silly discussion the other week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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