villan-scott Posted August 13 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13 Felix on loan and sign Gallagher permanently. Unai would be a happy man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 I hope Felix has a couple of sensible non monetised friends or advisors. He may not yet know what's going on behind the scenes at Chelsea FC, but if he doesn't he may soon find out painfully. They have switched to a policy where players are no longer treated as human beings, instead they are treated as 'on and off the shelf' commodities to be bought and sold without regard for the player's wellbeing. Players are regarded as inanimate and we are witnessing a PL equivalent of 'Amazon' where products are ordered on a whim and sent out on a sale or return basis. Felix may well become a victim of this heartless turn over business if he signs for them. I saw a headline today which asked "What are Chelsea doing?" I think we'd all like to know. I certainly would anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 12 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I hope Felix has a couple of sensible non monetised friends or advisors. He may not yet know what's going on behind the scenes at Chelsea FC, but if he doesn't he may soon find out painfully. They have switched to a policy where players are no longer treated as human beings, instead they are treated as 'on and off the shelf' commodities to be bought and sold without regard for the player's wellbeing. Players are regarded as inanimate and we are witnessing a PL equivalent of 'Amazon' where products are ordered on a whim and sent out on a sale or return basis. Felix may well become a victim of this heartless turn over business if he signs for them. I saw a headline today which asked "What are Chelsea doing?" I think we'd all like to know. I certainly would anyway. You’ve got a coach who is saying “play for me, I will make you one of the best players in the world” - he’d probably be one of the main players here, the team may even be centred around him (not a massive fan of that since the Grealish stuff). If he chooses to play for a coach who was in the championship last season, and in fairness, did well… then that tells us that he would only be going to Chelsea for the money, he’d probably be on 300k a week. It also tells us an awful lot about his character. A shame? Sure. But, if he goes to Chelsea and things go wrong, I certainly won’t be feeling sorry for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, allani said: Simone is no mug but he has a very fixed way of playing - as does Emery. My gut feel is that Felix is not suited to the way Simone plays but would be very well suited to the way that Emery plays. Very few players in the world turn up firing every single game (hell even Emi and God have had matches where they have been awful - against their very high standards). But I do think this is the type of system that would suit Felix and I think Felix would suit the system and fit well with the other players within it. It's a hefty fee BUT if Emery unlocks the magic that is there then he'd go from a £45m / 50m player (back) to a £100m+ player. Which I think makes it a more balanced risk. His recent history is nowhere near the failure that some have labelled it. So I think the risk is that he does reasonably well for us not brilliantly but certainly enough that after 1 or 2 seasons we could still make a PSR breakeven deal or more likely a reasonable PSR profit. The middle ground is that he does well enough that we sell him in a couple of seasons for a PSR profit after any "extra" wages he might cost from a similar level player. The upside is that everything clicks and he becomes our Salah, Son, C Ronaldo, De Bruyne (appreciating that all of these players play different roles / positions - so I'm talking impact rather than an actual direct "match") and either helps us win stuff or is sold for a massive profit that would single-handedly provide us with the spending power to really make a mark. Much has been said about replacing the goal contributions of some outgoings - maybe Felix won't replace them directly but I do think with him in the team Ollie will break the 20 league goals curse, Rogers / Bailey / McGinn / Ramsey will all improve on their figures, etc. I think there are other options being spoken about who could do similar but Felix is still the one that I think COULD transform everything. The others are excellent options - Felix could be exceptional. I think for us to beat the likes of Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool to titles we need (a) an exceptional manager and coaching team and a group of players that fully buy into everything they want them to do, (b) a team that is better than the sum of its parts and is fully focussed on excelling for the team rather than themselves and (c) the sprinkle of fairydust / magic that just makes everything click and gives everyone else the time and space to thrive. I think a lot of the other names mentioned help with (a) and (b) but there aren't many that offer the potential of (c). It’s certainly a view, and “if” is the operative word. I can see the positive in all this, but if it was my money…..a loan is what I would do. I think it could go wrong as easy as it could go right…..hence my opinion of a loan deal with an option to buy. However, I trust unai to make the right choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 39 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I hope Felix has a couple of sensible non monetised friends or advisors. He may not yet know what's going on behind the scenes at Chelsea FC, but if he doesn't he may soon find out painfully. They have switched to a policy where players are no longer treated as human beings, instead they are treated as 'on and off the shelf' commodities to be bought and sold without regard for the player's wellbeing. Players are regarded as inanimate and we are witnessing a PL equivalent of 'Amazon' where products are ordered on a whim and sent out on a sale or return basis. Felix may well become a victim of this heartless turn over business if he signs for them. I saw a headline today which asked "What are Chelsea doing?" I think we'd all like to know. I certainly would anyway. In that sense, I’m more worried about Mendes than Felix… Everyone loves to speculate on the lad’s personality (when no one actually knows about it) but there is no evidence of poor character, of him being a bad egg or disruptive presence, a diva or prima donna… nothing has ever been reported other than a falling out or disagreement with Simeone who has always been an abrasive personality (it’s part of what has helped him get the success he has tbf to him). Has even been welcomed back to Atletico by fellow players (even Diego!), got on fine with everyone at Chelsea (who were still or more of a mess then, playing under both Potter and Lampard) and Barca - they liked him and were interested in keeping him. The new manager, Hansi Flick, was also interested in keeping him and saw a role for him. But they are riddled with debt, working within/under financial limitations (but getting away with all sorts or finding loopholes) and have higher priority targets in Olmo (done) and Williams (probably not happening). And we’ve recently heard that he was interested or gave the go ahead to any potential move to Villa and has been in touch with Unai… not sure how much of that is true or the extent of it but still, those have been the reports. Again, the player can’t reject us if we haven’t actually made an offer either so… why direct any anger toward him? Some people/fans just don’t like him… for some bizarre and unfounded reason Whether or not it happens, or if he ends up at Chelsea, we will just have to wait and see. If we were ever in the race, I don’t think we’re out of it rn. But, unfortunately, our incoming transfer business depends on sales… we are restricted. We will have alternatives in mind anyway. Again, I would really like Baena. We really could do with a specialist free kick taker too - he would fit the ball and give us more creativity in general. Edited August 13 by Jas10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveburnside Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 He's not picking Chelsea over us. We havent matched the valuation so how can he come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jas10 said: In that sense, I’m more worried about Mendes than Felix… Everyone loves to speculate on the lad’s personality (when no one actually knows about it) but there is no evidence of poor character, nothing has ever been reported other than falling out or disagreement with Simeone who has always been an abrasive personality (it’s part of what has helped him get the success he has tbf to him). Has even been welcomed back to Atletico by fellow players (even Diego!), got ok with everyone at Chelsea and Barca - they liked him and were interested in keeping him. The new manager, Hansi Flick, was almost interested in keeping him and saw a role for him. But they are riddled with debt, working within/under financial limitations (but getting away with all sorts or finding loopholes) and have higher priority targets in Olmo (done) and Williams (probably not happening). And we’ve recently heard that he was interested or gave the go ahead to any potential move and has been in touch with Unai… not sure how much of that is true or the extent if it but still, those have been the reports. Again, the player can’t reject us if we haven’t actually made an offer either so… why direct any anger toward him? Some people/fans just don’t like him… for some bizarre and unfounded reason I can only speak for myself Jas….I don’t dislike him, as I just don’t know him.I just have doubts in his ability to consistently deliver, and match up to the hefty fee, that Atletico want to recover for him…..I think a loan, would suffice and negate that doubt giving us an opportunity get value for money. Look, the truth is, they over paid for him, and they want to recover as much money as they can for him, but the reality is, they initially saw a world class star, and they want everyone to see that too….sadly, for what ever reason, that hasn’t materialised, and their asset, is not as valued by other clubs, as they have the benefit of hindsight. I am not trying be awkward, but you say folk who are doubters are speculating, but you make claims too that are, to my understanding, speculation too. We all form opinions, on limited information, but we are fans, and we speculate as a result of not knowing the full facts…..because it’s entertainment, that’s all it is. finally, I would be lying, if I said, I didn’t have doubts about his character, but I admit, I have no basis, to say that just gut feel. Edited August 13 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 7 minutes ago, Daveburnside said: He's not picking Chelsea over us. We havent matched the valuation so how can he come here? What will Mendes want and recommend for his client? I’ve never known a club to stockpile so many players and spend so recklessly… now they’re working on a swap deal (Osimhen for Lukaku) with Napoli. Imagine they will pay a hefty fee as part of it. How are they going to accommodate all these players? Psychos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TRO said: I can only speak for myself Jas….I don’t dislike him, as I just don’t know him.I just have doubts in his ability to consistently deliver, and match up to the hefty fee, that Atletico want to recover for him…..I think a loan, would suffice and negate that doubt giving us an opportunity get value for money. Look, the truth is, they over paid for him, and they want to recover as much money as they can for him, but the reality is, they initially saw a world class star, and they want everyone to see that too….sadly, for what ever reason, that hasn’t materialised, and their asset, is not as valued by other clubs, as they have the benefit of hindsight. I am not trying be awkward, but you say folk who are doubters are speculating, but you make claims too that are, to my understanding, speculation too. We all form opinions, on limited information, but we are fans, and we speculate as a result of not knowing the full facts…..because it’s entertainment, that’s all it is. finally, I would be lying, if I said, I didn’t have doubts about his character, but I admit, I have no basis, to say that just gut feel. I understand your view and points TRO and wasn’t referring to them.. I get some of the concerns or doubts and don’t deny that some of them are valid. There is no such thing as a guarantee and most transfers carry an element of risk (but you can’t win if you don’t play the game). I don’t really have a problem with that tbh, don’t take anything I’ve said personally… I wasn’t even quoting you tbf. Btw, what exactly am I speculating on? Please specify and I will correct myself if required. I’m honestly not even that fussed whether it happens or not but will be excited if it does and fully back Unai to bring out the best in him. For me, the only important factor here is Unai and if he wants the player… then I want him to get the player. I don’t doubt or question him at all, he has been a blessing to our club. That’s just my view anyway and I don’t force anyone to share it. But there are many fans (again, and as I always say, not just here) who are hating on the kid, making accusations, holding weird grudges over the idea/possibility that he rejected a move to us in the past, making him out to be a bad egg and big ego (with zero evidence), is greedy, selfish, demotivated etc. etc. and are so strongly against the move even happening… some of it is quite weird. Edited August 13 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 13 Visiting Supporter Share Posted August 13 3 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: He won’t be hovering like a vulture, he’ll be swooping magnificently like an eagle. This is The Sultan you’re talking about young man!! I bow gracefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TRO said: I can only speak for myself Jas….I don’t dislike him, as I just don’t know him.I just have doubts in his ability to consistently deliver, and match up to the hefty fee, that Atletico want to recover for him…..I think a loan, would suffice and negate that doubt giving us an opportunity get value for money. Look, the truth is, they over paid for him, and they want to recover as much money as they can for him, but the reality is, they initially saw a world class star, and they want everyone to see that too….sadly, for what ever reason, that hasn’t materialised, and their asset, is not as valued by other clubs, as they have the benefit of hindsight. I am not trying be awkward, but you say folk who are doubters are speculating, but you make claims too that are, to my understanding, speculation too. We all form opinions, on limited information, but we are fans, and we speculate as a result of not knowing the full facts…..because it’s entertainment, that’s all it is. finally, I would be lying, if I said, I didn’t have doubts about his character, but I admit, I have no basis, to say that just gut feel. A loan would be great… but it’s not so easy is it? That doesn’t interest Atletico at this point and why would it? It’s ok for people to not be keen on a move and have doubts over the merits of it and whether it would work out… But making stuff up and getting angry about it is really weird. And even being strongly against while acknowledging or believing that Unai wants the player, rates him and believes he can get the best out of him is too… There has been so much negativity and panic during this off season… it’s so strange. After an amazing season and the achievement of CL qualification. Do the club, our manager and recruitment team deserve or warrant major criticism and doubt? I’m not saying there are guarantees and shouldn’t be any doubts at all… but, a certain degree of level headedness or calmness wouldn’t go amiss. They have earned our trust and faith imo… and should maybe even be allowed to take a risk or even make a potential mistake or two if they want to take such an approach… Anyway, I’m probably blabbering too much again so will try to quieten down once more Again, sorry if I’ve upset anyone. It’s not my intention and to each their own… We all get emotional and carried away sometimes because we’re so invested in our club. These are wonderful times though, seems like the best approach is to be relaxed and just enjoy the experience for as long as it lasts… Edited August 13 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 minutes ago, Jas10 said: A loan would be great… but it’s not so easy is it? That doesn’t interest Atletico at this point and why would it? It’s ok for people to not be keen on a move and have doubts over the merits of it and whether it would work out… But making stuff up and getting angry about it is really weird. And even being strongly against while acknowledging or believing that Unai wants the player, rates him and believes he can get the best out of him is too… There has been so much negativity and panic during this off season… it’s so strange. After an amazing season and the achievement of CL qualification. Do the club, our manager and recruitment team deserve or warrant criticism and doubt? I’m not saying there are guarantees and shouldn’t be any doubts at all… but, some one headedness or calmness wouldn’t go amiss. Anyway, I’m probably blabbering too much again so will try to quieten down once more Again, sorry if I’ve upset anyone. It’s not my intention and to each their own… We all get emotional and carried away sometimes because we’re so invested in our club. These are wonderful times though, seems like the best approach is to be relaxed and just enjoy the experience for as long as it lasts… Jas, I having been watching this team for over 60 years, so if I want to be negative, I wouldn’t renew my season ticket every season. we all want to remain upbeat, and I believe there is good reason to be. However, being objective, or engaging in constructive questioning, is not being negative as some folk will interpret. I always want us to be the best version of ourselves, but if I see things, that don’t impress me, I won’t suppress it to satisfy my emotions, I will just call it for that game. I have never been a fan to sugar coat stuff just to comply with the narrative, but I repeat to criticise is not to condemn. It’s all about opinions, and we are all entitled to them…..right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveburnside Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 40 minutes ago, Jas10 said: What will Mendes want and recommend for his client? I’ve never known a club to stockpile so many players and spend so recklessly… now they’re working on a swap deal (Osimhen for Lukaku) with Napoli. Imagine they will pay a hefty fee as part of it. How are they going to accommodate all these players? Psychos The most money for himself I imagine. Can still see this happening late in the window. The Atletico and Chelsea deals are falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 3 minutes ago, Daveburnside said: The most money for himself I imagine. Can still see this happening late in the window. The Atletico and Chelsea deals are falling apart. Nothing can be ruled out at this stage… but I don’t like or trust agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CVByrne Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Nobody is going to pay €60m for Felix so I assume we've definitely moved on from this saga. We need to keep our focus elsewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I still wouldn’t be surprised if we are working to a loan with option / obligation to buy deal here, and have just said to Atletico that the offer is there if they want it. We could just be playing the waiting game to see how desperate they get at the end of the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 14 Visiting Supporter Share Posted August 14 Really don’t think this one is over yet. Monchi has stated Villa will be active until last day in transfer market. He has mention only difficulty is improving an already good squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Goodnight sweet prince, we hardly knew you. It's like the Milot saga but with far fewer fish puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, striker said: Really don’t think this one is over yet. Monchi has stated Villa will be active until last day in transfer market. He has mention only difficulty is improving an already good squad. I guess it's not over until he signs for someone else as AM clearly want to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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