Stevo985 Posted December 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, messi11 said: Argentina vs Brazil would be a epic Semi Final! If there are no upsets then the entire quarter final lineup is pretty epic on paper to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Yeah Defiantly If Argentina reach the final that would mean its their 5th match at the Lusail Iconic Stadium in the tournament. Whilst the other finalist would be their first. Surely that's an advantage Edited December 5, 2022 by messi11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Kin hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: if emi wins the WC we lose him in the summer, maybe even earlier to who? Is no spot in the top Champions clubs they are not outfield players you can squeeze into other positions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: to who? Is no spot in the top Champions clubs they are not outfield players you can squeeze into other positions Man Utd? De Gea's contract is running out and I guess they're unlikely to renew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 Well there are some moments of magic that’s for sure… To be fair to Southgate he’s doing OK - you can only beat what is in front of you. He’s also generally sticking to 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 which looks infinitely better than 5 at the back. Still can’t substitute to save his life though. At 3-0 should have rested Kane golden boot or not given the concern over fatigue etc. at least gave Bellingham a rest though ready for France. Still don’t think Southgate is any good, but can’t really criticise him too much so far. He reminds me more of Bruce than Gerrard, in particular the season of the play off final we lost. Football was largely forgettable but we were winning a lot, so largely forgivable. However when we came to the crunch we just crumbled. France will be a proper test, hopefully he will keep the same shape but I do fear he will revert to type and try and grind a result out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Well there are some moments of magic that’s for sure… To be fair to Southgate he’s doing OK - you can only beat what is in front of you. He’s also generally sticking to 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 which looks infinitely better than 5 at the back. Still can’t substitute to save his life though. At 3-0 should have rested Kane golden boot or not given the concern over fatigue etc. at least gave Bellingham a rest though ready for France. Still don’t think Southgate is any good, but can’t really criticise him too much so far. He reminds me more of Bruce than Gerrard, in particular the season of the play off final we lost. Football was largely forgettable but we were winning a lot, so largely forgivable. However when we came to the crunch we just crumbled. France will be a proper test, hopefully he will keep the same shape but I do fear he will revert to type and try and grind a result out. And England will be a proper test for France too. That goes both ways. I genuinely think France have played nobody of note yet. Denmark had a desperate tournament. Australia are plucky but limited. Poland are cowardly and not that good. Not gonna cite the Tunisia game - was the French B team really. Now similarly England have had a few soft touches. It will both be each other’s toughest test i think 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Johnnyp said: Kin hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I think we stand as good a chance as anybody of winning it, I really do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: I think we stand as good a chance as anybody of winning it, I really do. Football has many facets one being belief and if we beat France then you hope the belief will sky rocket and they go on to finally win it in my life time. Should not fear anyone after France. Won't be easy but Saturday is key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 35 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: I think we stand as good a chance as anybody of winning it, I really do. I dont. Sorry but the thought of mbappe vs maguire and stones already giving me nightmares. Hopefully he wont go 3 at back as we will lose as that be inviting pressure onto them I would rather go for four at the back and 5 in midfield. Cut off the supply link to mbappe so he has to drop back to try get the ball. Id go for something like a midfield of Rashford henderson bellingham rice saka Kane up top We need to take the game to france thats only way we win. Their back four is very suspect like ours. Having a cautious approach we lose in my opinion Having rash bellingham and saka attacking and creating for kane is a real handful for france Id probably leave foden out for this one and being him on later onto the game when tired legs as hw can cause a lot of problems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, WallisFrizz said: I think we stand as good a chance as anybody of winning it, I really do. Basically I see us as the Euro champions. We we the better team and it took managerial ineptitude, gamesmanship, blatant cheating and mental weakness to all conspire to mean we lost only on penalties. I mean Italy didn't even qualify as well so we're a bit like the 'Sam ryder' of the world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, WallisFrizz said: I think we stand as good a chance as anybody of winning it, I really do. As much as I can’t stand Southgate (or most of the squad) there is a lot of quality and depth. It’s one of the best squads there and when on form can be a match for anybody. I believe we are handicapped by the manager, especially when we face a high calibre opposition, his tactics are found wanting. But, with the quality we have there is always a chance that we can win any game with moments of magic. I don’t think we will win it, but it wouldn’t be a massive shock for me if we did. Most have been saying this squad is the best we’ve had in years and it’s just the manager holding us back, if that’s truly the case then we’re in with a chance despite the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 hours ago, messi11 said: Is it bad that if it was England vs Argentina in the final that I would want Messi (& Martinez) to win? I feel like i'm a traitor to my country! But I cant help my feeling **** Martinez, **** Messi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 Not sure which thread to post this in, but I just wanted to give a shout out to the scumbags who carried out a cowardly armed robbery of Sterling's house with his family in attendance while they knew he was away at the world cup. Hope you get what's coming to you, you absolute 24 karat bastards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, jim said: **** Martinez, **** Messi Is that not post on poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: Not sure which thread to post this in, but I just wanted to give a shout out to the scumbags who carried out a cowardly armed robbery of Sterling's house with his family in attendance while they knew he was away at the world cup. Hope you get what's coming to you, you absolute 24 karat bastards. Well said ! Really nasty people, I hate them. I can't stand violence. They've probably left Raheem's wife and children with PTSD and maybe Raheem himself as well. Let's hope they get caught and a fitting punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Croatia have only ever lost 2 games in the World Cup knockouts. A semi final and a final Incredible for such a small nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 46 minutes ago, Zatman said: Croatia have only ever lost 2 games in the World Cup knockouts. A semi final and a final Incredible for such a small nation That's an interesting spin on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 16 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: There's some incredible retconning of 2018 in this thread. The actual assumption before the tournament, not that surprisingly given 2014 and 2016, was that we were complete shit, that we would lose the first knockout game if we got out of the group, and that Southgate had a completely free hit because expectations were so low. From the perspective of 4 years later, it's all 'well we only beat Colombia and Sweden in the knockouts!'. Back then, it was more pertinent to note that we hadn't won a knockout match since 2006 (against the no more mighty Ecuador) and hadn't ever won a World Cup penalty shootout in our entire history. I can't remember what the build up to 2018 was like, but England were still pretty shit. I know, I know - semi-finals - but, honestly, we looked awful, played awful football and lost against every decent team we played. The penalty shootout win might have overcome some sort of national mental block, mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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