DaveAV1 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 hours ago, nick76 said: Why worry, it was taken down five minutes after posting it. About as ITK as the drunk bloke in the local pub. Don’t knock the drunk bloke in the local. It’s a role we’ve all played. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Don’t knock the drunk bloke in the local. It’s a role we’ve all played. Some of my happiest memories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Chukwueze just scored for Villarreal. I wonder how he compares to Sarr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 31, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted December 31, 2022 On 29/12/2022 at 12:38, OutByEaster? said: I'm guessing as an Everton fan you've not paid much attention to Luiz over the last six to twelve months - he's been our best player this season and is doing a fantastic job for the club. I could understand if you're suggesting that we might struggle if a giant like Real or Barca or similar came in with a massive offer, but you seem to be suggesting that we will be looking to get rid of him as a weak link - right now, to get a player better than Luiz would cost us an amount of money that's probably outside of the ranges we're looking at - if we were selling him, I'd want £60-80m. His partnership with Kamara is the strongest part of the team right now and that pairing is good enough to take us a long way, it matches up against the best in the league - they got the best of the middle of the park against Liverpool's three and I'd give them a fighting chance against any pair in this division. I wouldn't swap Luiz with Tielemans or Thiago - to actually improve on him you'd need to be looking at a player that quite simply, we couldn't get. Have another look and get some doubt, you've missed something. Thanks very much for your reply. It made for some interesting reading. It never ceases to amaze me how the opinions of fans can differ on any game but that’s the way it’s always been and long may it continue. I’m actually a fan of both Villa and Everton so try to watch all televised games including both clubs. I therefore have missed few of those games so my opinion is an overall view and not just based on selected games. You mention that the current midfield partnership of Luiz and Kamara are going to take Villa ‘a long way.’ To where exactly?’ I ask this due to Villa continually struggling to beat the better teams. This is not a recent trait but one with Luiz in the Villa side over several seasons now. It is also fair to say that many have viewed Villa’s midfield as the weak link of the side. Villa are currently in mid table where they finished last season. If it’s mid table obscurity your after then indeed the current owners are going to be very disappointed in your ambition! You further say that Villa’s parring matches the top teams in the league and bested Liverpool’s three recently. Villa lost that game 1-3 and it could have been more. It was also stated in the after match comments by several posters that Luiz’s performance was poor. I saw the game. He was mainly anonymous and conspicuous only by giving possession away. A trait only too common since Luiz has come to Villa. If he is rated in the 60m-80m category then Arsenal’s rumoured bid of 25m fell way short of your estimation of the player. I would further suggest your preference to Tielemans or Thiago is somewhat blinkered. What is Luiz good at? Is he a quality defensive mid? Not really, as Kamara was signed to replace him. Is he someone that would run beyond the striker? Again no, as he doesn’t have any pace. Is he then a regular goal scoring midfielder? Stats would suggest no. So what exactly is he then? You say he’s a link man. Link from defence to midfield or attack? To me that’s a very convenient way to describe a totally ineffective footballer that shines at nothing really. I think you’ll find that Emery will rebuild Villa’s midfield over the next 2-3 windows and replace McGinn and Luiz with much more effective players in their genre’s and not use the expenditure you quote in replacing them. I see you suggest that I’ve missed something. Maybe, maybe not, but I guess we’ll see soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Xela said: Some of my happiest memories. And quite a few you probably can’t remember either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Chukwueze just scored for Villarreal. I wonder how he compares to Sarr For whatever reason I'd rather take chukwueze despite my knowledge of him being limited to FM Almost like I'll tar sarr with the brush of being a Watford player in the championship rather than judging him on his own merits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaVilla Posted December 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, striker said: Thanks very much for your reply. It made for some interesting reading. It never ceases to amaze me how the opinions of fans can differ on any game but that’s the way it’s always been and long may it continue. I’m actually a fan of both Villa and Everton so try to watch all televised games including both clubs. I therefore have missed few of those games so my opinion is an overall view and not just based on selected games. You mention that the current midfield partnership of Luiz and Kamara are going to take Villa ‘a long way.’ To where exactly?’ I ask this due to Villa continually struggling to beat the better teams. This is not a recent trait but one with Luiz in the Villa side over several seasons now. It is also fair to say that many have viewed Villa’s midfield as the weak link of the side. Villa are currently in mid table where they finished last season. If it’s mid table obscurity your after then indeed the current owners are going to be very disappointed in your ambition! You further say that Villa’s parring matches the top teams in the league and bested Liverpool’s three recently. Villa lost that game 1-3 and it could have been more. It was also stated in the after match comments by several posters that Luiz’s performance was poor. I saw the game. He was mainly anonymous and conspicuous only by giving possession away. A trait only too common since Luiz has come to Villa. If he is rated in the 60m-80m category then Arsenal’s rumoured bid of 25m fell way short of your estimation of the player. I would further suggest your preference to Tielemans or Thiago is somewhat blinkered. What is Luiz good at? Is he a quality defensive mid? Not really, as Kamara was signed to replace him. Is he someone that would run beyond the striker? Again no, as he doesn’t have any pace. Is he then a regular goal scoring midfielder? Stats would suggest no. So what exactly is he then? You say he’s a link man. Link from defence to midfield or attack? To me that’s a very convenient way to describe a totally ineffective footballer that shines at nothing really. I think you’ll find that Emery will rebuild Villa’s midfield over the next 2-3 windows and replace McGinn and Luiz with much more effective players in their genre’s and not use the expenditure you quote in replacing them. I see you suggest that I’ve missed something. Maybe, maybe not, but I guess we’ll see soon enough. Hey, just my take on your questions. Prior to Emery we played a midfield 3 under both Smith & Gerrard, both of those almost always played Ramsey & McGinn in 2 of the 3 midfield slots. Luiz tended to play the no.6 role under Smith, but Luiz also made it clear that no.6 wasnt his "ideal" role, coupled with this Ramsey and McGinn were not a good pairing for a midfield 3, Ramsey is better further up the pitch or out wide and cutting in, and McGinn tended to go missing and have trouble retaining the ball, this impacted heavily on Luiz who was basically trying to do the job of 3 players in the midfield, but also not having players in that midfield who could retain possession with him. In the summer we signed Kamara who is a nailed on no.6 and highly regarded, although for some reason Gerrard then decided to drop Luiz and still play Ramsey & McGinn with Kamara, in the 11-ish games we had with kamara/McGinn/Ramsey under Gerrard, we basically had the same problem of Kamara getting badly isolated, and however good he was, again, the players around him just didnt work in the midfield. Then comes Emery, who immediately switches to a midfield 2/double pivot and selects both Kamara and Luiz as that midfield pairing, weirdly after a number of years we are now playing a system that suits Luiz, both him and Kamara are quality on the ball in terms of retention, and the fact that Kamara is a "proper 6" allows Luiz to do some defensive work in the double pivot, but he also has someone next to him where both are good on the ball and can retain possession between them etc, the 2 man midfield/pivot plays to both Luiz's and Kamara's strengths. It has taken Luiz a couple of years to develop for sure, but at the same time Emery is the only manager since he joined that has actually decided to play him in the right position, with the right players around him, with Kamara pairing him in midfield, and Ramsey out wide/further forward, and McGinn actually dropped to the bench (when Ramsey is fit). I think the comments around luiz/Kamara taking us far, is more around the observation, which i agree with, is that as of right now our midfield 2 are probably the strongest position in our team, as well as the goalkeeper, so its more that we do need to upgrade nearly every other part of the team, including up front, but Martinez, Kamara, Luiz are probably good enough to be top 8 players if the rest of the team is upgraded to a suitable level. Honestly, Kamara i think is a top 6, maybe top 4 quality player, he is genuine quality, Luiz possibly the same but we will have to see a prolonged run of good form (remember, Arsenal bid for Luiz in the summer - and he would suit a more possession based system - until Emery we tended to punt it.....), although honestly i think Kamara is better than Luiz. I suppose overall, Martinez, Carlos, Kamara, Luiz and possibly Ramsey, are the players i would choose if i had to say...."pick the players in the Villa squad that you think are defo good enough to be part of a top 8 team". Edited December 31, 2022 by MaVilla 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Really hope we can sign players like Kamara, in that it makes other clubs take notice of our ambitions. Players like Pau Torres and Nicolas Jackson would more than likely do that. As good as he could be, I don’t see many clubs being jealous of us signing Deulofeu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, messi11 said: You Joking?More Chance of Messi signing ITK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Just now, jacketspuds said: Really hope we can sign players like Kamara, in that it makes other clubs take notice of our ambitions. Players like Pau Torres and Nicolas Jackson would more than likely do that. As good as he could be, I don’t see many clubs being jealous of us signing Deulofeu. Nicolas Jackson is linked with Southampton and isnt a regular at Villarreal if honest Deulofeu is a better option now. Jackson might come good in 2 or 3 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Why would you want Kante, Modric or a Xavi when a perfect Carlton Palmer could do a better job Sigh. That's not the point it is? Mings apart we're woefully short in height at defending set pieces and have such a soft underbelly in our spine it's criminal and been an issue for over a decade now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 5 hours ago, nick76 said: No chance Man U would sell Rashford. He’s one of their star players. If they did PSG for some reason have a raging hard on for him so would beat off all other clubs to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, stewiek2 said: If they did PSG for some reason have a raging hard on for him so would beat off all other clubs to get him. Filthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 hours ago, jacketspuds said: Really hope we can sign players like Kamara, in that it makes other clubs take notice of our ambitions. Players like Pau Torres and Nicolas Jackson would more than likely do that. As good as he could be, I don’t see many clubs being jealous of us signing Deulofeu. I’d much prefer us to sign a player who nobody is jealous of when we sign him but everyone is jealous of 6 months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: I’d much prefer us to sign a player who nobody is jealous of when we sign him but everyone is jealous of 6 months later. Either will do to be fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Either will do to be fair. I don’t mind either - I just want to see real signings very soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I'm just waiting till one minute past midnight to post the obligatory "no signings yet? Emery out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said: I'm just waiting till one minute past midnight to post the obligatory "no signings yet? Emery out" Well I'll post Happy New Year Ginger Collins as it's well past midnight here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Well I'll post Happy New Year Ginger Collins as it's well past midnight here. Many happy returns JV!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Happy New Year Villa family. As the door closes on 2022 the transfer window opens in 2023. Two new signings please Aston Villa. Like how I kept that on topic 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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