nick76 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, messi11 said: Yeah we are not. FPL Lyric is spot on. Unai said different….I take him over randoms on Twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Sorry had to edit out post as I made it up, instead I will say that we will probably sign someone from nowhere that hasn't been talked about, as we usually do. Edited January 5, 2023 by useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Where’s this idea we aren’t buying anyone when Unai has said otherwise? I do love the internet Not a clue. We give far too much weight to random rumours from Twitter ITKs - out of boredom, I guess? - but this time I don't even know where this idea has come from. Edited January 5, 2023 by His Name Is Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) I want to push back against the idea that 30 million euros only gets you a midtable winger. I don't think any of the wingers that were playing for the clubs that finished between 7-10th last season cost as much as Bailey did. We can't be expecting that players should only be as good as how much we paid for them. Yes the sky 6 are stupid with money but you can't really compare finances with them. Almost every other club in the league are operating more efficiently than them with how they spend their money. They purchase players relative cheaply and are able to grow their asset. That's why for those clubs that finished between 7-10th, none of their wingers cost more than 30 million when they were first purchased. They eventually grew to possess that value later if at all. The problem with our signings is that, you really cannot say the same about many of our players. Most have stagnated in value, some have regressed. And unless we are going the route of paying stupid money like the sky 6, we are never going to close the gap this way. In other words, if we purchase a 30 million player, we have to expect that we will eventually get a 40 or 45 million player or more and that has to be the case with most of our signing. What makes us unique is that we actually do have significant financial firepower that we can potentially do even more than these clubs that finished in that 7-10th region and I think its easy for us to lose sight for that. How can we claim that 30 million only gets you a midtable winger when these clubs are spending less money on cheaper players than that but are still able to finish in those positions? Brighton's transfer record is significantly less than that. We need to learn to spend our money better and expectations for our signings need to be higher than just "well we get what we paid for". Because if we're getting what we paid for, we're doing it wrong, Edited January 5, 2023 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: I want to push back against the idea that 30 million euros only gets you a midtable winger. I don't think any of the wingers that were playing for the clubs that finished between 7-10th last season cost as much as Bailey did. We can't be expecting that players should only be as good as how much we paid for them. Yes the sky 6 are stupid with money but you can't really compare finances with them. Almost every other club in the league are operating more efficiently than them with how they spend their money. They purchase players relative cheaply and are able to grow their asset. That's why for those clubs that finished between 7-10th, none of their wingers cost more than 30 million when they were first purchased. They eventually grew to possess that value later. The problem with our signings is that, you really cannot say the same about many of our players. Most have stagnated in value, some have regressed. And unless we are going the route of paying stupid money like the sky 6, we are never going to close the gap this way. In other words, if we purchase a 30 million player, we have to expect that we will eventually get a 40 or 45 million player or more and that has to be the case with most of our signing. What makes us unique is that we actually do have significant financial firepower that we can potentially do even more than these clubs that finished in that 7-10th region and I think its easy for us to lose sight for that. How can we claim that 30 million only gets you a midtable winger when these clubs are spending less money on cheaper players than that but are still able to finish in those positions? We need to learn to spend our money better and expectations for our signings need to be higher. Here you go: Wolves - Goncalo Quedes - €32.60m Leeds - Daniel James - €29.10m Everton - Alex Iwobi - €30.40m West Ham - Pablo Fornals - €28.00m 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, nick76 said: Unai said different….I take him over randoms on Twitter Yeah we will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, duke313 said: Here you go: Wolves - Goncalo Quedes - €32.60m Leeds - Daniel James - €29.10m Everton - Alex Iwobi - €30.40m West Ham - Pablo Fornals - €28.00m Leeds and Everton didn’t even finish midtable last season. And James and Iwobi are flops, they are players who never should’ve cost as much as they did. i don’t know much goncalo quedes but I do know he only joined wolves this season so he wasn’t involved at all with wolves finish last season. Fornals still cost about 4 million euros less than Bailey did. What’s your point here? Because yes, these clubs have bought some players in around that fee. They aren’t the norm though, most of their players do not cost this much when first purchased. Some of the ones that do are often labelled as flops. Their expectations for them were likely higher than just to develop into midtable players Edited January 5, 2023 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: I want to push back against the idea that 30 million euros only gets you a midtable winger. I don't think any of the wingers that were playing for the clubs that finished between 7-10th last season cost as much as Bailey did. We can't be expecting that players should only be as good as how much we paid for them. Yes the sky 6 are stupid with money but you can't really compare finances with them. Almost every other club in the league are operating more efficiently than them with how they spend their money. They purchase players relative cheaply and are able to grow their asset. That's why for those clubs that finished between 7-10th, none of their wingers cost more than 30 million when they were first purchased. They eventually grew to possess that value later if at all. The problem with our signings is that, you really cannot say the same about many of our players. Most have stagnated in value, some have regressed. And unless we are going the route of paying stupid money like the sky 6, we are never going to close the gap this way. In other words, if we purchase a 30 million player, we have to expect that we will eventually get a 40 or 45 million player or more and that has to be the case with most of our signing. What makes us unique is that we actually do have significant financial firepower that we can potentially do even more than these clubs that finished in that 7-10th region and I think its easy for us to lose sight for that. How can we claim that 30 million only gets you a midtable winger when these clubs are spending less money on cheaper players than that but are still able to finish in those positions? Brighton's transfer record is significantly less than that. We need to learn to spend our money better and expectations for our signings need to be higher than just "well we get what we paid for". Because if we're getting what we paid for, we're doing it wrong, 7-10 is around mid table really. There’s not much in it at all. I reckon Emery would have this squad around 7th if he was manager all season. Edited January 5, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 wonder if we'd look at Ricardo Pepi as a first team striker with a lot of room for development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: wonder if we'd look at Ricardo Pepi as a first team striker with a lot of room for development. Looks good, Would cost a bomb tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Leeds and Everton didn’t even finish midtable last season. And James and Iwobi are flops, they are players who never should’ve cost as much as they did. I don’t know much goncalo quedes but I do know he only joined wolves this season so he wasn’t involved at all with wolves finish last season. Fornals still cost about 4 million euros less than Bailey did. What’s your point here? Because yes, these clubs have bought some players in around that fee. They aren’t the norm though, most of their players do not cost this much when first purchased. Some of the ones that do are often labelled as flops. Their expectations for them were likely higher than just to develop into midtable players Leeds and Everton finished mid-table the season before, and that's how much they paid for mid-table players. Far enough on Guedes only signing this season, but Wolves will be aiming for mid-table, and so far, Guedes has only shown mid-table ability. Fornals cost 4 million less. Not exactly different ball parks, is it? The point is that's how much average or slightly above average players are going for in that position. Are there examples of them costing less, sure. But chances are a player with exceptional talent in that area, will cost a lot more than what we paid for Bailey. I would also add Buendia to that. So, we either need better scouts, or pay more money for better players. Edited January 5, 2023 by duke313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Careful now, Lyric reads VillaTalk and doesn’t like criticism Very true, his teddy gets a beating when people are mean to him on Twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Careful now, Lyric reads VillaTalk and doesn’t like criticism Yes, such a sensitive, self-obsessed, soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, duke313 said: Here you go: Wolves - Goncalo Quedes - €32.60m Leeds - Daniel James - €29.10m Everton - Alex Iwobi - €30.40m West Ham - Pablo Fornals - €28.00m Benrahma, Rodrigo, Willock, Morgan Gibbs-White all similar money too. Sinisterra, Dwight McNeil, and Bowen a bit cheaper at £20-25m Bailey is there or there abouts with all of them with the exception of Bowen who I'd definitely rather have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) Just said on talksport that we have just signed some player from Arsenal? Young player I think? edit it was for the ladies someone called, knobbs apparently Edited January 5, 2023 by danceoftheshamen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, danceoftheshamen said: Just said on talksport that we have just signed some player from Arsenal? Young player I think? Women’s team Edited January 5, 2023 by nick76 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, danceoftheshamen said: Just said on talksport that we have just signed some player from Arsenal? Young player I think? Its Jordan nobbs....for the womens team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I think it goes without saying that there isn't any blanket rule for transfer fee = success. Not sure how true it is but if so it puts things in perspective a bit, apparently Brighton's entire starting eleven the other night vs Everton cost less than Alex Iwobi did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Nigel said: Its Jordan nobbs....for the womens team also what Luiz might do to her now he's single 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: also what Luiz might do to her now he's single Thought they’d got back together? Not that I care really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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