Diego Carlos

[Tomaszk]

I'm not sure what we do if Cash isn't fit.

Has Carlos played Bogarde into starting against Bayern Munich when he'd only ever played league one before this season? And he's been not good when playing this year.

I really like Ned but he's clearly doing something Unai doesn't like.

Edited Tuesday at 00:52 by Tomaszk

[Ingers]

Team at fault for letting Ipswich back into the game, too pedestrian in attack, turned down multiple break opportunities, with overloads, to pass back 'build' the perfect goal - happy for this normally, but when we are breaking, be cut throat and go for goal.  We have laboured to get 7 points from 3 relegation candidates, maybe down to them sitting in, but its not quite where I would hope we would be, or indeed top 6 'form'. Having said that, could have beaten Arsenal with the luck of the green.

 For the equaliser, Konsa left a hole, no one filled it, Delap takes advantage, but then Carlos is awful, could have pushed him wide, could have taken him out, as others have said - body position, make him do more to get the shot off.  Maybe he has lost alot since the injury, but I really have never seen what the attraction is with Carlos - can't jump, definitely can't head, turns like the QE2, seems to want to niggle everyone, casual in possession around the box, but is ok in a wrestle with Haarland or Antonio.  

I was very surprised that he was rumoured to go in summer - which scout would go for him?  I realise we are PSR hamstrung, but we are once again light at RB - Konsa has to play at CB, and then one of the youngsters at RB - can't be worse than Carlos in CB.  I don't recall where, but heard an interesting shout of Kamara at RB when he's fit - can't be worse than Carlos.....I wonder how much we can spend on any half decent RB/ a loan at Christmas?

[Kiwivillan]

1 hour ago, Ingers said:

I don't recall where, but heard an interesting shout of Kamara at RB

Kamara can play CB. Played first 2 seasons there at Marseille. Not sure would play him RB. Does best work in the middle

[Chicken Field]

7 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

I'm not sure what we do if Cash isn't fit.

Has Carlos played Bogarde into starting against Bayern Munich when he'd only ever played league one before this season? And he's been not good when playing this year.

I really like Ned but he's clearly doing something Unai doesn't like.

Or Emery deems the 18 year old kid not ready for consistant Premier League and Champions League football? There are barely any 18 year old defenders playing consistently in the premier league for any team

[cheltenham_villa]

7 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

I'm not sure what we do if Cash isn't fit.

Has Carlos played Bogarde into starting against Bayern Munich when he'd only ever played league one before this season? And he's been not good when playing this year.

I really like Ned but he's clearly doing something Unai doesn't like.

Im fairly sure it will be Carlos and Konsa at right back. For me its clearly Unai's preferred option (even with Cash fit) and he'll keep working to improve it. 

[TRO]

4 hours ago, Ingers said:

Team at fault for letting Ipswich back into the game, too pedestrian in attack, turned down multiple break opportunities, with overloads, to pass back 'build' the perfect goal - happy for this normally, but when we are breaking, be cut throat and go for goal.  We have laboured to get 7 points from 3 relegation candidates, maybe down to them sitting in, but its not quite where I would hope we would be, or indeed top 6 'form'. Having said that, could have beaten Arsenal with the luck of the green.

 For the equaliser, Konsa left a hole, no one filled it, Delap takes advantage, but then Carlos is awful, could have pushed him wide, could have taken him out, as others have said - body position, make him do more to get the shot off.  Maybe he has lost alot since the injury, but I really have never seen what the attraction is with Carlos - can't jump, definitely can't head, turns like the QE2, seems to want to niggle everyone, casual in possession around the box, but is ok in a wrestle with Haarland or Antonio.  

I was very surprised that he was rumoured to go in summer - which scout would go for him?  I realise we are PSR hamstrung, but we are once again light at RB - Konsa has to play at CB, and then one of the youngsters at RB - can't be worse than Carlos in CB.  I don't recall where, but heard an interesting shout of Kamara at RB when he's fit - can't be worse than Carlos.....I wonder how much we can spend on any half decent RB/ a loan at Christmas?

Trouble is our Achilles Heel is well known now, by our opponents.

The long ball down the right.....2 CB's who are not known for heading or Dominant play, all in all.....spells "weakness"

[Fight Like Lions]

8 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

I'm not sure what we do if Cash isn't fit.

Has Carlos played Bogarde into starting against Bayern Munich when he'd only ever played league one before this season? And he's been not good when playing this year.

I really like Ned but he's clearly doing something Unai doesn't like.

If Cash didn’t make the bench against Ipswich he won’t be starting against Bayern. 

Unai has to pick the strongest line up he can from the players available and as much as many on here don’t like it, Carlos is a better back up CB than Bogarde is a back up RB. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:06 by Fight Like Lions

[Tomaszk]

1 hour ago, Chicken Field said:

Or Emery deems the 18 year old kid not ready for consistant Premier League and Champions League football? There are barely any 18 year old defenders playing consistently in the premier league for any team

It wouldn't be that consistent, it would be covering for Cash.

Plus, he's an 18 year old who has international and Champions League experience already.

And in his place we've had a 20 year old out of position who has 22 starts for Bristol Rovers in league one as his only prior first team experience.

I think Ned is doing something Unai doesn't like/want. Probably trying to overlap and attack all the time when he wants him to hold the shape.

[Chicken Field]

3 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

It wouldn't be that consistent, it would be covering for Cash.

Plus, he's an 18 year old who has international and Champions League experience already.

And in his place we've had a 20 year old out of position who has 22 starts for Bristol Rovers in league one as his only prior first team experience.

I think Ned is doing something Unai doesn't like/want. Probably trying to overlap and attack all the time when he wants him to hold the shape.

He does have some experience, that is true - he probably has a lot of learning to do to fit into what Emery desires, I also imagine he simply has a lot of maturing to do too and protecting his development. Interesting, as far as my research has gone, he is the youngest defender in the league this season, the second youngest is hujsen at 19yo. 

I imagine Emery finds Bogarde more mature and ready for first team football. Altough he has not impressed me personally, neither has Carlos. 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

Have we ever contemplated trying Diego at Right Back and Konsa back at CB where he belongs?

I feel Carlos has the athleticsm to play there, and his clangers would maybe be a bit less dangerous too?

I'd rather have the risk of him on the right, and the certainty of Konsa at CB.

[jamodillo]

13 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Have we ever contemplated trying Diego at Right Back and Konsa back at CB where he belongs?

I feel Carlos has the athleticsm to play there, and his clangers would maybe be a bit less dangerous too?

I'd rather have the risk of him on the right, and the certainty of Konsa at CB.

Athleticism like that of an olympic shot putter.

[sharkyvilla]

6 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

It wouldn't be that consistent, it would be covering for Cash.

Plus, he's an 18 year old who has international and Champions League experience already.

And in his place we've had a 20 year old out of position who has 22 starts for Bristol Rovers in league one as his only prior first team experience.

I think Ned is doing something Unai doesn't like/want. Probably trying to overlap and attack all the time when he wants him to hold the shape.

I wonder if Ned's best chance of playing is when Mings is back and we go the other way and have the right back attacking, with Konsa, Pau and Mings as the other defenders.  I also wonder whether it might be better to stick Diego at right back rather than Ezri in the meantime, surely it can't be that hard a role to learn and potentially less dangerous to our prospects than having him in the middle.

Edited Tuesday at 16:19 by sharkyvilla

[Tomaszk]

7 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

I wonder if Ned's best chance of playing is when Mings is back and we go the other way and have the right back attacking, with Konsa, Pau and Mings as the other defenders.  I also wonder whether it might be better to stick Diego at right back rather than Ezri in the meantime, surely it can't be that hard a role to learn and potentially less dangerous to our prospects than having him in the middle.

I thought about Carlos at RB as well.

I suppose the thinking with Konsa there is he's especially quick and agile for a CB so can adjust better...but recently, he's been skinned out there more than I've ever seen!

I don't think it's something we'll see.

[M_Afro]

6 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

I thought about Carlos at RB as well.

I suppose the thinking with Konsa there is he's especially quick and agile for a CB so can adjust better...but recently, he's been skinned out there more than I've ever seen!

I don't think it's something we'll see.

We have two high quality left backs. I’ve often wondered whether one of them would be a better option at right back. You often get wingers playing on both flanks, why not full backs? Unai must have at least considered it.

[VillaAlex]

I trust him more vs better sides, he stays more concentrated, he takes less stupid risks.

When we play weaker opposition he gets lazy, careless and constantly switches off. It's what annoys me the most about him, he can be a good defender but he decides not to be a lot of the time.  

[Kiwivillan]

57 minutes ago, VillaAlex said:

I trust him more vs better sides, he stays more concentrated, he takes less stupid risks.

What the shit was that pass 2-0 up at Old Trafford? That makes me so mad every time I think about it

[VillaAlex]

1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said:

What the shit was that pass 2-0 up at Old Trafford? That makes me so mad every time I think about it

Who said United were a better side?

[icouldtelltheworld]

On 01/10/2024 at 01:52, Tomaszk said:

I'm not sure what we do if Cash isn't fit

Have you seen him? 

[AshVilla]

Rather play Swinkels at CB than Carlos.

[TRO]

If he plays...We need a performance out him him tonight.....Not the sulky melancholy, he has sought to wallow in.

He needs to find the form, that prompted us to pay good money for an aging player, and pay us back for a long period on the sidelines earning Hollywood money.

Over to you Diego.....Time to prove us all wrong, you have the floor.