striker Posted August 9 Visiting Supporter Share Posted August 9 Carlos sold and Guehi nabbed from Newcastle would be glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I can’t wait for someone in here to tell me their Fulham ITK nan told them that we agreed a fee and Fab and Ornstein aren’t as well connected as the tea lady! Unai/ Monchi will have a fee in mind and it will need to be met. Until then it’s bidding and interest with no chance of a deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 14 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Wow, I hadn't appreciated he was 31. That really was a poor signing, although injury obviously hasn't helped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, striker said: Carlos sold and Guehi nabbed from Newcastle would be glorious. It would, but £60/65m for Guehi… I’ll have to pass on that glory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Carlos out, Geertruida in would be some excellent work. Could even try to move Cash out too as we'd have RB cover Would leave Geertruida, Konsa and Ned at RB, with Geertruida, Konsa and Bogarde as RCB options. I'm in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, turvontour said: Wow, I hadn't appreciated he was 31. That really was a poor signing, although injury obviously hasn't helped. It was really was poor.. Stevie G strikes again. I hope Carlos and Coutinho has been a valuable lesson to us all, never sign DOBs on big wages again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom13 Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 It wasn't a poor signing at the time 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: It was really was poor.. Stevie G strikes again. I hope Carlos and Coutinho has been a valuable lesson to us all, never sign DOBs on big wages again Agree on Coutinho, a little harsh on Carlos. He was 29 when signed and should have been coming into his prime years as a defender, and a Brazilian international. The injury was a ste back, but still showed class, his inconsistency since the injury has been an issue, and don’t believe he’s an Emery style of player. He will be good for Fulham if they get him. Edited August 9 by QldVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: It wasn't a poor signing at the time Carlos was inconsistent for sure but ticked the boxes we needed at the time. We probably overpaid, but on his day as we saw last season, a real rock. He had a major injury too which didn’t help. Edited August 9 by The_Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steero113 Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 City and Arsenal performances alone move him out of the poor signing category. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 10 minutes ago, MSvillain said: Bogarde is a year older than Huijsen who Bournemouth just signed, if we believe he's got the ability and we want him to kick on, he needs game time He needs a good loan. Branthwaite kicked on massively after going to PSV. He also had a loan at Blackburn previously. Only 14 games for Bristol Rovers last season who were mid table in league 1, was he injured for large spells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 5 minutes ago, Tom13 said: It wasn't a poor signing at the time I agree, he looked very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 Not every signing needs to be seen as black or white when it comes to success. Carlos recovered from a career threatening injury, played really well in some games and badly in others. He's 31 years old and doesn't really fit with our tactical aspirations anymore so I'd be happy to see him leave with no hard feelings. He's been a decent signing that helped us achieve a 4th place finish last season but it's time we move on and find a player that can increase our level overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 8 minutes ago, QldVilla said: Agree on Coutinho, a little harsh on Carlos. He was 29 when signed and as a defender should have been coming into his prime years as a defender, and a Brazilian international. The injury was a ste back, but still showed class, his inconsistency since the injury has been an issue, and don’t believe he’s an Emery style of player. He will be good for Fulham if they get him. But that’s the issue with older players. Recovery is so much harder. Lil Phil just couldn’t shake the niggles and Carlos isnt the same. When you factor the wages for both, it just seems like poor business to put so much money in to essentially deprecating assets then again all transfers are gambles, but high wage dusty ol ballers are the biggest gamble of the lot. Edited August 9 by CarryOnVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 With Todibo off to West Ham, seems only Fulham in race now for Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 13 minutes ago, Tom13 said: It wasn't a poor signing at the time Yes we only had Mings and Konsa as PL level CBs and we needed at least another player. We were very short in the position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, CarryOnVilla said: But that’s the issue with older players. Recovery is so much harder. Lil Phil just couldn’t shake the niggles and Carlos isnt the same. When you factor the wages for both, it just seems like poor business to put so much money in to essentially deprecating assets then again all transfers are gambles, but high wage dusty ol ballers are the biggest gamble of the lot. Will have to agree to disagree. Coutinho was past his prime and a vanity project by Gerrard. You could say Carlos was a similar vanity project because he was upgrading Mings which he undervalued. Gerrard was a fraud as a manager, but I still think Carlos was a good buy, s9metime they just don’t work out how you hope they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Carlos was a really good player when we signed him, but it was still a stupid signing considering age/fee/wages. Stevie G loved signing 29 year olds on high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I don't really agree with the consensus that injuries affected his time here other than the fact he obviously missed a season through his bad injury. As a player he pretty much performed as he did at Sevilla. Excellent on his day, but prone to lapses of concentration, giving the ball away cheaply and discipline issues. He's a good defender and was a good signing at the time, albeit he wasn't cheap but as a club we've progressed and we can do so much better now. I think one thing I hadn't quite noticed from his Sevilla days was that he isn't particularly strong/dominant aerially as he'd appear. Where he truly excelled were the backs to the wall matches against Man City/Arsenal and generally he worked quite well in the high line and despite the often cheap give away was comfortable in possession. It would be great to receive a decent fee for him, it was a bit unexpected to hear of another clubs interest as quite often we get stuck with players on big wages, but if he does go he would be a good signing for Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Yes we only had Mings and Konsa as PL level CBs and we needed at least another player. We were very short in the position. And if Carlos leaves we’ll be back to having two fit PL level CBs. (I’m not counting Bogarde even though I’m sure he’ll be solid eventually). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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