Genie Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, blandy said: 16p at my local station. Tax is one reason. edit 26 p, not 16p 163.9 v 189.9 It was 2p for a very long time, then all of a sudden this huge gulf. I didn’t realise there was a tax change tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Genie said: It was 2p for a very long time, then all of a sudden this huge gulf. I didn’t realise there was a tax change tbh. 20% of any differential is tax, so if the difference is 25p as you say, 5p of that is tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 19 hours ago, markavfc40 said: So really if the income to house ratio was consistent to 1990 avg house price should be a bit over £100k? Whoops that didn't work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2022 57 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: So really if the income to house ratio was consistent to 1990 avg house price should be a bit over £100k? Whoops that didn't work out It was ok, better even in the last decade, when interest rates were like 1% or less, compared to the 90s when, for example my mortgage rate was 7.99%, but obviously now they’re up to whatever, 6% say, that’s where people are now getting stuffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, blandy said: It was ok, better even in the last decade, when interest rates were like 1% or less, compared to the 90s when, for example my mortgage rate was 7.99%, but obviously now they’re up to whatever, 6% say, that’s where people are now getting stuffed. Yes that is a fair point re low interest rates, though perhaps that has fed into the unsustainable price rises. As well as a lack of housing supply. The whole uk housing market is a total mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 4, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: perhaps that has fed into the unsustainable price rises Definitely I’d say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Inflation in the US falling faster than expected. New figure is 7.7% versus the predicted 8% and 8.2% figure last month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 So council tax going up along with the gas, electric, food mortgages and god knows whatever else they going to tax us on. I simply thinking to myself how the hell are people suppose to survive the next few years? You have no chance if your on a low income job. I think alot of people are going to seriously consider leaving the UK the way things are going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: So council tax going up along with the gas, electric, food mortgages and god knows whatever else they going to tax us on. I simply thinking to myself how the hell are people suppose to survive the next few years? You have no chance if you’re on a low income job. I think alot of people are going to seriously consider leaving the UK the way things are going And we can thank the Tories for being heavily restricted in our ability to bugger off somewhere else (in the EU) too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, Genie said: And we can thank the Tories for being heavily restricted in our ability to bugger off somewhere else (in the EU) too. The thing is even if/when labour come in are they going to reverse these increases? I dont see how they can. Food is a global problem Gas and electricity is the russian war Mortgages all of thats on that idiot truss. Council tax is the one i want to know Labour’s stance on that would they reverse this and try find another way to recoup the money? Seems this is the alternative to the NI rise that boris wanted to implement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2022 Am I the only person who thinks tax does need to go up? The country is falling apart. Its impossible to see a Doctor. Schools can't recruit teachers, every public service you can name is suffering. Yes efficiencies need to be driven in but that's a perennial problem regardless of who's in power. There is clearly a funding issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltesemike Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Am I the only person who thinks tax does need to go up? The country is falling apart. Its impossible to see a Doctor. Schools can't recruit teachers, every public service you can name is suffering. Yes efficiencies need to be driven in but that's a perennial problem regardless of who's in power. There is clearly a funding issue. Yes, but on the fat earners at the top. Time to eat the rich and redistribute wealth for a fairer society. Will it happen though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Am I the only person who thinks tax does need to go up? The country is falling apart. Its impossible to see a Doctor. Schools can't recruit teachers, every public service you can name is suffering. Yes efficiencies need to be driven in but that's a perennial problem regardless of who's in power. There is clearly a funding issue. I think its not just funding i just dont think whatever reason public service roles are that attractive to people. I work for nhs its hard work has its challenges and ok not best paid but i really enjoy working for it. We have so many gaps everywhere at the moment and i can only speak on my trust but we are not getting as many applications as we use to. I suspect though when we start seeing masses of job losses when the recession kicks in we see that reversed as tahts what happened last time. By then it will be too late as there will be such excess numbers applying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 minute ago, maltesemike said: Yes, but on the fat earners at the top. Time to eat the rich and redistribute wealth for a fairer society. Will it happen though? It's a utopian view unfortunately. The really rich have ways of moving money about. France tried it and ended up collecting less tax as the rich just moved their wealth abroad. See Gerrard Depardieu. I'm afraid the "rich" is going to have to include mid earners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I think one issue and i dont want to label them all (as alot do pay their fair share) is the self employed people. I openly know people who dont pay as much as tax as they should be as they take cash in hand jobs and dont declare it all. I think this is a area they really need to work on. 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's a utopian view unfortunately. The really rich have ways of moving money about. France tried it and ended up collecting less tax as the rich just moved their wealth abroad. See Gerrard Depardieu. I'm afraid the "rich" is going to have to include mid earners. Thats a good point sid. Also the rich that own mutiple businesses will just making people redundant or let them go so they still keep more money for themselves. I dont mind paying more tax if things were going well but you cant have everything going up significantly and your wages stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's a utopian view unfortunately. The really rich have ways of moving money about. France tried it and ended up collecting less tax as the rich just moved their wealth abroad. See Gerrard Depardieu. I'm afraid the "rich" is going to have to include mid earners. It’s very frustrating. The lowest earners don’t pay any tax, but will generally receive the most from the state. The highest earners can manage their finances such that they pay little to nothing. Those in the middle generally get no money from the state but will be paying the lions share of government debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 33 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The thing is even if/when labour come in are they going to reverse these increases? I dont see how they can. Food is a global problem Gas and electricity is the russian war Mortgages all of thats on that idiot truss. Council tax is the one i want to know Labour’s stance on that would they reverse this and try find another way to recoup the money? Seems this is the alternative to the NI rise that boris wanted to implement They can’t roll back a lot of the cost increases out in the world, but you can blame them for not being able to leave the country (although I suspect you’re one of the lucky ones with an EU passport). You can also blame them for a lot of the rising mortgage and loan costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Genie said: They can’t roll back a lot of the cost increases out in the world, but you can blame them for not being able to leave the country (although I suspect you’re one of the lucky ones with an EU passport). You can also blame them for a lot of the rising mortgage and loan costs. Nope I have a Uk passport i live in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, Demitri_C said: Nope I have a Uk passport i live in the UK Bad times. I thought you might qualify for an EU passport with your Cypriot family connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Just now, Genie said: Bad times. I thought you might qualify for an EU passport with your Cypriot family connections. Im hoping i can get a Cypriot ID card through my parents as they live in cyprus but its along arse process. Passport i would have to be a resident. Have to admit I am tempted to **** off out of here and move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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