Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted June 23 Popular Post Share Posted June 23 We essentially stole the lad when Derby were in big financial doo doo, to be getting £19m for him now is excellent business overall. The academy is doing its job essentially, very few will break through into the first team, and even less as our level continues to increase. I feel it's something we've not done well historically, we've always seemed to hang on to some of these academy kids on the fringes for a bit too long and they've ended up leaving for smaller fees or at the end of their contracts. We're in a position now where we don't depend on the kids to pad out the first team quite as much as we've had to in previous eras, and so more sales of them make a lot of sense. It's never nice to lose a talented player, but if we're honest the chances of him breaking through here were pretty slim, and we need the money right now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted June 23 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: It's okay. You're not allowed to have an opinion anymore on VT because the club is absolutely infallible now. I don't understand. @thabuckshas expressed an opinion, VT have not shut it down. You frequently express opinions and you can still go back and read them. Maybe ask yourself why so many people disagree with what you write rather than saying you're not allowed an opinion. Are you saying everyone should agree with everything you write? Edited June 23 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Lots of salty Spurs and Arsenal fans online saying his value is inflated and what we’re doing is akin to money laundering. Is £19m to high a valuation for Kellyman? How much would Spurs or Arsenal fans be willing to part with one of their top academy talents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 minutes ago, duke313 said: Lots of salty Spurs and Arsenal fans online saying his value is inflated and what we’re doing is akin to money laundering. Is £19m to high a valuation for Kellyman? How much would Spurs or Arsenal fans be willing to part with one of their top academy talents? Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: Lots of salty Spurs and Arsenal fans online saying his value is inflated and what we’re doing is akin to money laundering. Is £19m to high a valuation for Kellyman? How much would Spurs or Arsenal fans be willing to part with one of their top academy talents? Money laundering Sensible clubs are finding ways to improve their squads within the financial framework that's in place. Nothing to see here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game Chelsea paid £20m for chuk They're paying £60m for a Brazilian teenager with 11 career games and he doesn't join for another year Would be madness if we get investigated rather than Chelsea, they've spent several hundred million on teenagers and young players Man city also paid £20m for an argue teenager after he played 6 games The horse has bolted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 What great business to sell a kid who looks a prospect but has done nothing in the first team, as yet, for £19m, six months after buying a slightly older kid who had proven himself for longer elsewhere for significantly less and who is now proving to be a very influential first team player after just 6 months under UE. I think we've really got to put our trust in UE. Morgan Rogers says to me that he/his team know how to pick a young player and develop them. If he can do the same with Barrenechea and Illing Jr next season could be really exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 12 minutes ago, duke313 said: Lots of salty Spurs and Arsenal fans online saying his value is inflated and what we’re doing is akin to money laundering. Is £19m to high a valuation for Kellyman? How much would Spurs or Arsenal fans be willing to part with one of their top academy talents? Kelly man for £19m and Iregboenum for £9m doesn't seem out of line with our business over the last couple of years with no aligned deals (Carney for 20m, Archer for 18m, Ramsey for 14m - I don't think they had proven themselves anymore?). If we get investigated for anything it should be selling Dougie at an undervalue - seen talk of €50m valuation which can't be right when you look at the price of Rice, Caiceido and Fernandez?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: Kelly man for £19m and Iregboenum for £9m doesn't seem out of line with our business over the last couple of years with no aligned deals (Carney for 20m, Archer for 18m, Ramsey for 14m - I don't think they had proven themselves anymore?). If we get investigated for anything it should be selling Dougie at an undervalue - seen talk of €50m valuation which can't be right when you look at the price of Rice, Caiceido and Fernandez?? They can’t investigate us for underselling Dougie. We literally have to do it or we’ll get a points deduction. We’re just following the rules that no one else wanted to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, thejoker said: They can’t investigate us for underselling Dougie. We literally have to do it or we’ll get a points deduction. We’re just following the rules that no one else wanted to change. I wasn't being serious. I thought, with your name, you would have been the first to appreciate this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Chelsea paid £20m for chuk They're paying £60m for a Brazilian teenager with 11 career games and he doesn't join for another year Would be madness if we get investigated rather than Chelsea, they've spent several hundred million on teenagers and young players Man city also paid £20m for an argue teenager after he played 6 games The horse has bolted If fines or transfer bans are implemented it will be us not them two getting punished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 15 minutes ago, Zatman said: Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game A player they wanted rid of and who wanted to leave for his career vs one of our best academy players were being forced to sell because of PSR. Not really the same. If someone wanted to buy Jamie Donley from Spurs, one of their brightest academy prospects. Similar age and appearance to Kellyman. Do you think Levy would sell for a couple million? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game Not a chance they can do anything. Just look at money Real/City/Barca pay for 16 year old brazillian players. Ive a feeling this could be a nail in FFP(i refuse to call it PSR as they took out the fair part to stop fans saying it wasn’t fair ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 25 minutes ago, Zatman said: Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game What dangerous game? If a team bids 19m for our player how have we broken rules? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: If fines or transfer bans are implemented it will be us not them two getting punished But how? There is more than enough precedent for a kid with this much potential but so little playing time going for £19m I'd be more worried about the Everton Dobbins for timbo deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 6 minutes ago, duke313 said: A player they wanted rid of and who wanted to leave for his career vs one of our best academy players were being forced to sell because of PSR. Not really the same. If someone wanted to buy Jamie Donley from Spurs, one of their brightest academy prospects. Similar age and appearance to Kellyman. Do you think Levy would sell for a couple million? Mikey Moore would be a £40m+ player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 13 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: Kelly man for £19m and Iregboenum for £9m doesn't seem out of line with our business over the last couple of years with no aligned deals (Carney for 20m, Archer for 18m, Ramsey for 14m - I don't think they had proven themselves anymore?). If we get investigated for anything it should be selling Dougie at an undervalue - seen talk of €50m valuation which can't be right when you look at the price of Rice, Caiceido and Fernandez?? Doug - Gallagher. Similar enough asking prices. Pretty similar stats in the same division last season (across the fbref spectrum). Similar role within a similar level international team. 1 year contract v a 2 year contract but all we have to say is that Doug had said he wasn't prepared to renew his contract and the "extra" year becomes pretty much irrelevant. This is what makes "policing" transfer fees almost impossible. There is no "market" value. At one end you have City, Chelsea, TV money and the Saudi league inflating prices way above "real" value. Meanwhile contract dates and PSR do the opposite the other way. I think the only time it will be heading towards illegality is when deals are made between clubs within the same ownership umbrella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 34 minutes ago, Zatman said: Arsenal got 34 million for Balogun lsst year who had 25 career goals I feel we are playing a dangerous game So what rule is going to come in that sets a price for a player, that isn't based on fair market value? There are precedents for this fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: But how? There is more than enough precedent for a kid with this much potential but so little playing time going for £19m I'd be more worried about the Everton Dobbins for timbo deal Juventus got a huge points deduction for inflating prices. Paratici is still banned on paper Premier League cant do anything about Brazilian clubs but can about us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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