Pongo Waring Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 8 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Seems to me the club has overspent, tried to change rules to avoid a points deduction, didn't work and is now in panic mode to sell off whoever is most palatable to sell by 30th June. Even if we was in perfect financial state...... If a offer comes in for Kellyman at £20 million I think most clubs are taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Panto_Villan Posted June 22 Popular Post Share Posted June 22 I’m fine with selling a completely unproven prospect for £20m. Isn’t that what we’re meant to be getting from Matty Cash after years in the PL and helping us to get CL football? Everyone was super excited about Louie Barry and Tim and Kessler-Hayden and Archer and various other academy players who were in that team that played Liverpool … and none of them seem to have made an impact at the top level. If our academy exists mostly so we have more funds available to buy proven players then so be it, as far as I’m concerned. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Anyone know whether we will have to pay Derby a sell on fee? Probably not. if I’m correct, the fee we paid them was a compensation fee, rather than a transfer fee. I’m not sure if theirs a difference, but it suggests that it wasn’t a negotiated deal. Edited June 22 by CarryOnVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, villarule123 said: You'd hope that this will be the catalyst for the rules being changed in the near future and football will start the process of trying to fix itself. If a club who has their best season in decades has to do this to avoid punishment, then something is very wrong. Rules being changed? I bet most outside Villa have never heard of Kellyman and don’t care when they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, CarryOnVilla said: Probably not, if I’m correct, the fee we paid them was a compensation fee, rather than a transfer fee. I’m not if theirs a difference, but it suggests that it wasn’t a negotiated deal. Thanks, just seen someone on Twitter say there was a fee to pay Derby but they were probably guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Admittedly I do not follow our reserve/youth teams at all these days but is Kellyman really considered the same level of talent as Chukwuemeka, or just the best of the current crop? I mean like Chukwuemeka was regularly linked to big clubs and was even known somewhat by fans of other clubs as a generational talent. Not sure same is true of Kellyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duke313 Posted June 22 Popular Post Share Posted June 22 Makes a change from our academy players of the past being loaned out indefinitely then leaving on free transfers with no benefit to the club. Everyone likes the romantic idea of youth players breaking into the first team and going on to be club legends, happens rarely. If this helps us buy a Baena or a Nico Williams, then it’s the right move. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 22 Popular Post Share Posted June 22 Seems like I’m in the minority here then—getting £20mill for a decent prospect is unbelievable business. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Isa said: Admittedly I do not follow our reserve/youth teams at all these days but is Kellyman really considered the same level of talent as Chukwuemeka, or just the best of the current crop? I mean like Chukwuemeka was regularly linked to big clubs and was even known somewhat by fans of other clubs as a generational talent. Not sure same is true of Kellyman. Difficult to say, but the same bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I mean if Ian Maatsen is worth £37.5m after getting to the CL final and being in the CL team of the season, feels like Chelsea are taking a real gamble on Kellyman at £20m. Seems like have to go right to the absolute top to even double his price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, duke313 said: Makes a change from our academy players of the past being loaned out indefinitely then leaving on free transfers with no benefit to the club. Everyone likes the romantic idea of youth players breaking into the first team and going on to be club legends, happens rarely. If this helps us buy a Baena or a Nico Williams, then it’s the right move. Tbf, if the gap between our youth and senior team is too big for our kids to jump then I’m chill to let them go… we’re developing footballers not benchwarmers. Let them play senior football elsewhere and we get paid for getting them to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 5 minutes ago, AndyClarke said: Difficult to say, but the same bracket. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted June 22 Popular Post Share Posted June 22 52 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Kellyman's already on the villa first team fringes. Emery must love him. Would be an awful move for him if he moves to Chelsea IMO. Promising youngsters that end up at Chelsea… 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 30 minutes ago, PeterSw said: I'm thinking long term IF he was to become a superstar. That's the problem basing things on a player's 'potential' I guess. We are in win now mode and if we use the funds well and become a consistent top 4 team down the line, no one will remember (or care) about this deal. I've changed my mind.. I'm on board. Get him sold.. and give them a reminder about the Duran deal whilst you're in the phone! Yes those are fair points peter. I would imagine he will struggle to get more game time there than here. I mean 20m is crazy when you think cash is going at 30m and he has done a lot more. I bet the rest of the PL are not happy at the chelsea- villa partnership . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feidhlim Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Yes those are fair points peter. I would imagine he will struggle to get more game time there than here. I mean 20m is crazy when you think cash is going at 30m and he has done a lot more. I bet the rest of the PL are not happy at the chelsea- villa partnership . As I've said already, Cash is in his prime. Easy to value. Kellyman you're paying for potential, way harder to value 19m is a fair price IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Totally " separate " deals of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Feidhlim said: As I've said already, Cash is in his prime. Easy to value. Kellyman you're paying for potential, way harder to value 19m is a fair price IMO Cash is a polish international and only 26 years old. Has what 4-5 years experience in CL. Id value cash double over kellyman. Even timmys played more than kellyman and went foe 9m. I think we are getting good money for him personally Archer went for 18m too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 25 minutes ago, AndyClarke said: Understood but I am talking about the outstanding talent at the club being sold after grabbing his brief opportunities in the previous season is a crazy decision. I absolutely get £20million in the sky rocket for 5th or 6th choice who may or may not improves makes it a no brainer from a business point of view though. Tbh Andy, I trust the club here. If he's 5th/6th choice then he's not an outstanding talent yet, by first team standards at least, because the guy who makes that call is Emery. Secondly, have we regretted selling anyone under NSWE? If they think it's the right call, then I'll back their decision because they haven't steered us wrong and have earned that trust IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 9 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: I mean if Ian Maatsen is worth £37.5m after getting to the CL final and being in the CL team of the season, feels like Chelsea are taking a real gamble on Kellyman at £20m. Seems like have to go right to the absolute top to even double his price tag. it's Chelsea who have set the market, £20m for chuk, £16m for deivid, £15m for angelo, £15m for casadei, £12m for andrey and that's before you look at the hundreds of millions they spend on semi established young prospects The £20m for him isn't outlandish compared to who else they've bought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feidhlim Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, Demitri_C said: Cash is a polish international and only 26 years old. Has what 4-5 years experience in CL. Id value cash double over kellyman. Even timmys played more than kellyman and went foe 9m. I think we are getting good money for him personally Archer went for 18m too That's fine, my point is it's v difficult to say what's fair for a player with potential Vs a player in his prime. Kellyman has absolute bags of potential. In 2 years we might be thinking we got robbed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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