Peter Griffin Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, duke313 said: Lange better have something up his sleeve if we actually have ambitions of top half never mind Europe. A replacement defender A new midfielder A new striker I agree with a replacement defender, I would like a new midfielder and I don't think we need a new striker (unless we sell Ings or Ollie) as we have kept Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) We're a bit delusional if we think we're buying a new striker or that the club no longer trusts Ings and Watkins, even if buying one more could turn out to be very useful in the 5-sub system. Which is not to say I don't wish we would. Edited August 15, 2022 by His Name Is Death 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, AshVilla said: If he turns out to be crap and people don't criticise him does that mean they are in Denayal? Apparently there was talk of him being offered to Fulham, salary rumoured to be 2m a year, talk about going to Torino. He was on loan at Celtic when he was younger and got young player of the year and is 27, so I assume he can speak English. Signing him on a permie would probably not be too much more than the cost of a loan deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: Samuel Umtiti from Barcelona on loan? Balcelona I guess still need to raise some cash? Yea, just around the 1,300,000,000 euro mark would set things straight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Apparently Denayer has very poor stats when it comes to aerial duels. Last thing we need is another CB that can’t defend set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, jacketspuds said: Apparently Denayer has very poor stats when it comes to aerial duels. Last thing we need is another CB that can’t defend set pieces. On a positive he would fit in well with our other defenders and probably wouldn't take long to get up to speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, jacketspuds said: Apparently Denayer has very poor stats when it comes to aerial duels. Last thing we need is another CB that can’t defend set pieces. How are we so bad at defending set pieces when we have a specialised set piece coach, does MacPhee only work on attacking set pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) Imagine if in some roundabout way, this turns out to be a blessing long term? Say for example we sign another top CB ( Lacroix for example ) Next summer, we let go of Konsa, then Carlos is fit. We then have a CB squad of Lacroix ( Or other top CB ) , Carlos, Mings, Chambers. Possibly a CB stack we wouldn't be able to attract / convince about first team opportunities if Carlos wasn't out. That's a pretty high calibre CB stack. Apparently Lacroix is " Two footed " as well, so could cover both sides. Clutching? Edited August 15, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I'd play Kamara at CB v Bolton just to see how he looks on english soil but yeah if that's Gerrard's thinking then a new CB is certainty. Years loan makes sense and then we sign them permanently next summer while moving a few out. I wouldn't even have anyone from the first team on the bench vs Bolton, a lighting rig would probably fall on them at this rate. Or just straight up lightning from the heavens. Denayer and Zagadou are both probably as good as we could hope for in terms of CBs with skill on the ball, and are young enough to have some sell-on value in a few years, potentially a lot in the case of Zagadou if he stays reasonably fit and progresses. He would add great aerial presence, too, and take some pressure off Mings there, but always manages to pick up some injuries of his own. We do have cover, so might be worth it to see if we can get him going. Denayer, otoh, has a lot more experience and familiarity with the English game, but would probably want significantly more cash. Then again, more cash compared to Ligue 1 might not be an issue to a Prem club at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, the_eristic said: I wouldn't even have anyone from the first team on the bench vs Bolton, a lighting rig would probably fall on them at this rate. Or just straight up lightning from the heavens. Denayer and Zagadou are both probably as good as we could hope for in terms of CBs with skill on the ball, and are young enough to have some sell-on value in a few years, potentially a lot in the case of Zagadou if he stays reasonably fit and progresses. He would add great aerial presence, too, and take some pressure off Mings there, but always manages to pick up some injuries of his own. We do have cover, so might be worth it to see if we can get him going. Denayer, otoh, has a lot more experience and familiarity with the English game, but would probably want significantly more cash. Then again, more cash compared to Ligue 1 might not be an issue to a Prem club at all. Zagadou would be worth it just for the potential chant to the song Agadoo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Imagine if in some roundabout way, this turns out to be a blessing long term? Say for example we sign another top CB ( Lacroix for example ) Next summer, we let go of Konsa, then Carlos is fit. We then have a CB squad of Lacroix ( Or other top CB ) , Carlos, Mings, Chambers. Possibly a CB stack we wouldn't be able to attract / convince about first team opportunities if Carlos wasn't out. That's a pretty high calibre CB stack. Apparently Lacroix is " Two footed " as well, so could cover both sides. Clutching? It is an interesting perspective. I will say that we will need someone with experience. I cannot see us signing a young French CB, I think it will be a lot of mental pressure for a young CB to come here and do that. Naturally our fans place too much pressure on players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, duke313 said: How are we so bad at defending set pieces when we have a specialised set piece coach, does MacPhee only work on attacking set pieces? He only works on helping Martinez with goal kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Jason Denayer is available on a free Being linked with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Lacroix looks a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 We won’t be adding a new CB as cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Imagine if in some roundabout way, this turns out to be a blessing long term? Say for example we sign another top CB ( Lacroix for example ) Next summer, we let go of Konsa, then Carlos is fit. We then have a CB squad of Lacroix ( Or other top CB ) , Carlos, Mings, Chambers. Possibly a CB stack we wouldn't be able to attract / convince about first team opportunities if Carlos wasn't out. That's a pretty high calibre CB stack. Apparently Lacroix is " Two footed " as well, so could cover both sides. Clutching? It is nice to read a positive post. It beats the we are not signing anyone, we are crap, Gerrard is crap, we are doomed and there is no hope for us. I guess some people look on life positively and others look for opportunities to make the most of whatever cards they are dealt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Lacroix looks a beast. Yes, he does look a beast. I never heard of him and my initial Google search thought he was a can of sparking water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2022 I can't see us dropping big money on a CB. I can't see there being the slack in the budget to bring in a CB we didn't expect to need to buy. If we replace Carlos it's going to be on a budget - either a free or a cheap transfer to fill the gap, more replacing a body than a performer. I'd hope we still have our sights on other positions to upgrade. Though to be honest I'm not convinced of that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, fightoffyour said: Feeney is a ball playing CB He isn't ready to be starting first team games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Peter Griffin said: It is nice to read a positive post. It beats the we are not signing anyone, we are crap, Gerrard is crap, we are doomed and there is no hope for us. I guess some people look on life positively and others look for opportunities to make the most of whatever cards they are dealt Now we just have to hope a midfielder and forward rupture their achilles too so we can get top class replacements in for them and the positivity will really be rolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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