Aston_Villan4 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, WHY said: The one positive after watching him against Milan is that I know appreciate Dougie more. If Juve really want between £20/£25m I really hope we walk away. Any signings now aren’t going to get us Europe. Only reason I think we are looking now is because Newcastle will be in the same market as us in the summer, if they stay up. They will blow us out the water unfortunately, in terms of fees and wages! Ehh I wouldn't be too worried about that yet. Only reason they have Wood is because they were the only one willing to pay his 25million release clause and Trippier went there because of Howe. Similar to Coutinho and Gerrard. Except we will be fighting for a European spot next year whilst they will be waffling around the relegation zone. Money will attract some players but they're still a terrible team at the bottom of the table. Edited January 26, 2022 by Aston_Villan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 Gazzetta have an article saying we're trying to get him but even if we might be close on the price Juventus would sell at there is definitely no agreement as yet with the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Can’t get on board with the notion that £16m is ‘cheap’. Yes, it’s cheap if that player comes in and improves the team but it’s a complete waste of money if he doesn’t. I’m hoping this one doesn’t go through and we evaluate the position in the Summer to be honest. I don’t even think he’s a defensive midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 A few of these sources saying he’s not willing to drop to a club out of the champions league. It’s not looking likely is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Just now, LondonLax said: A few of these sources saying he’s not willing to drop to a club out of the champions league. It’s not looking likely is it? Hopefully not, no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, LondonLax said: A few of these sources saying he’s not willing to drop to a club out of the champions league. It’s not looking likely is it? No but I thought these things were sounded out with players agents (or Luis Suarez!)before we started putting offers in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Can’t get on board with the notion that £16m is ‘cheap’. Yes, it’s cheap if that player comes in and improves the team but it’s a complete waste of money if he doesn’t. I’m hoping this one doesn’t go through and we evaluate the position in the Summer to be honest. I don’t even think he’s a defensive midfielder. It's cheap in today's PL money. Webster went to Brighton from Championship for £20 million what... 3 seasons ago? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: It's cheap in today's PL money. Webster went to Brighton from Championship for £20 million what... 3 seasons ago? It’s cheap in that sense but it’s only cheap if he improves the team, which as I’m sure you’ve recognised now, I don’t think he will. It’s a waste of money if he comes in and just sits on the bench and we can’t get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: It’s cheap in that sense but it’s only cheap if he improves the team, which as I’m sure you’ve recognised now, I don’t think he will. It’s a waste of money if he comes in and just sits on the bench and we can’t get rid of him. He’s starting at Juventus. He wouldn’t be sitting on our bench 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, LondonLax said: He’s starting at Juventus. He wouldn’t be sitting on our bench There are plenty of players at clubs higher than us in the table that wouldn’t start for us. Just because he plays for Juventus, doesn’t mean he’ll start here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Can’t get on board with the notion that £16m is ‘cheap’. Yes, it’s cheap if that player comes in and improves the team but it’s a complete waste of money if he doesn’t. I’m hoping this one doesn’t go through and we evaluate the position in the Summer to be honest. I don’t even think he’s a defensive midfielder. So you are saying that one of the top five midfielders aged 23 or younger (as of May last year) in an elite European league based on him being in the 75th percentile of his peer group for ball winning, ball retention AND progression is likely to be a complete waste of money and not improve our team. OK. Edited January 26, 2022 by allani 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, allani said: So you are saying that one of the top five midfielders aged 23 or younger (as of May last year) in an elite European league based on him being in the 75th percentile of his peer group for ball winning, ball retention AND progression is likely to be a complete waste of money and not improve our team. OK. Yep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: There are plenty of players at clubs higher than us in the table that wouldn’t start for us. Just because he plays for Juventus, doesn’t mean he’ll start here. Well, maybe, but we have one recognised number 6 who whilst being Marvellous is also injured. Luiz has also stated he'd like to be a number 8 so if we want to keep him we need a 6. I really don't see how you think Bentancur would not start as our number 6 given we don't actually have one at the moment? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted January 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Can’t get on board with the notion that £16m is ‘cheap’. Yes, it’s cheap if that player comes in and improves the team but it’s a complete waste of money if he doesn’t. I’m hoping this one doesn’t go through and we evaluate the position in the Summer to be honest. I don’t even think he’s a defensive midfielder. You could sign Messi and there's a chance he won't improve your team, for a number of circumstantial reasons (actually playing out in real life right now). It's extremely cheap relative to what you're paying for. The type of experience he has etc. £16m nowadays is what you'd pay for a well-performing Championship player. To get a player that has 45 caps for a good national team as well as 170+ appearances for one of the titans of Italian football is insane. It's not like he's been frozen out either, he's practically been first choice since he joined. You can't even get that Carvalho kid from Fulham for that much. Whether or not it works out for him here and he improves us is a separate matter. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Yep. Based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: There are plenty of players at clubs higher than us in the table that wouldn’t start for us. Just because he plays for Juventus, doesn’t mean he’ll start here. Given how juve are travelling this season its the equivalent of saying that any of arsenals, first team would be guaranteed a start for us, which is definitely not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Keyblade said: You could sign Messi and there's a chance he won't improve your team, for a number of circumstantial reasons (actually playing out in real life right now). It's extremely cheap relative to what you're paying for. The type of experience he has etc. £16m nowadays is what you'd pay for a well-performing Championship player. To get a player that has 45 caps for a good national team as well as 170+ appearances for one of the titans of Italian football is insane. It's not like he's been frozen out either, he's practically been first choice since he joined. You can't even get that Carvalho kid from Fulham for that much. Whether or not it works out for him here and he improves us is a separate matter. If his pedigree is so great and has bern practically first choice since he joined, why exactly is he being allowed to leave for such an extremely cheap price? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: If his pedigree is so great and has bern practically first choice since he joined, why exactly is he being allowed to leave for such an extremely cheap price? I mean, I could speculate, but I don't even know if these reports are accurate or not. I'm just saying the price is crazy cheap, if true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: If his pedigree is so great and has bern practically first choice since he joined, why exactly is he being allowed to leave for such an extremely cheap price? Could be as simple as they need the money and doesn't fit the managers style of play/formation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, MSvillain said: Could be as simple as they need the money and doesn't fit the managers style of play/formation Allegri has only recently switched to a 4-2-3-1 which lets him play in front of the defence where he likes to play, before that he was on the right of a 3 and had Locatelli and Arthur in front of him in the pecking order for the central position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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