bobzy Posted Sunday at 18:39 Share Posted Sunday at 18:39 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I asked how do we compete with the other clubs above us without doing what they do and no one who is opposed to this has given us a plan of what we should do? If it doesn't "benefit " the big clubs then why do they do it? For extra revenue opportunities, players, work permits Who are the clubs providing opportunities for work permits and players for Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle…? Where are they gaining these huge advantages which we don’t have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted Sunday at 18:42 Share Posted Sunday at 18:42 Just now, bobzy said: Who are the clubs providing opportunities for work permits and players for Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle…? Where are they gaining these huge advantages which we don’t have? So we can loan players out who wont qualify for a permits to someone like vitoria. Not only does that help but we can get these players experience playing football at same time. I take it your missing all the young talent these clubs will have first options on with these partnerships? Ive answered your question now answer mine tell me what strategy would you do different to make us competitive to stay ahead of the likes of chelsea and man utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Sunday at 18:52 Share Posted Sunday at 18:52 6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: So we can loan players out who wont qualify for a permits to someone like vitoria. Not only does that help but we can get these players experience playing football at same time. I take it your missing all the young talent these clubs will have first options on with these partnerships? Ive answered your question now answer mine tell me what strategy would you do different to make us competitive to stay ahead of the likes of chelsea and man utd? You haven’t answered my question at all! I have no idea how they have an advantage over us. Can you name one single transfer that has been a multi-club partnership special and meant we’ve finished below those sides? On staying competitive, it’s entirely about money. I’d be looking at transfers for the club, personally (which it seems we are doing). Investing in a strong academy to develop players for sale and/or the first team (again, which it seems we are doing). There’s plenty I really don’t like about football and wouldn’t want Aston Villa to do, even if it meant more money/improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Sunday at 19:00 Share Posted Sunday at 19:00 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bobzy said: Name the benefit we’re currently getting from a multi-club ownership that has meant we finished 4th? I’m all ears. (Edit: For the pedants, multi-club “partnership”) Name the disadvantages - I’m all ears Edited Sunday at 19:01 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Sunday at 19:05 Share Posted Sunday at 19:05 3 minutes ago, thabucks said: Name the disadvantages - I’m all ears There are no disadvantages for the main club - it’s all pros. For the other clubs involved, it may be absolutely fine. The other side of this is having your club run as a feeder academy and losing your best players and your clubs’ identity. It’s a shit part of football. Having businessmen owners of a club is bad enough, let alone them having multiple clubs all under one roof. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Sunday at 19:07 Share Posted Sunday at 19:07 23 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: So we can loan players out who wont qualify for a permits to someone like vitoria. Not only does that help but we can get these players experience playing football at same time. I take it your missing all the young talent these clubs will have first options on with these partnerships? Ive answered your question now answer mine tell me what strategy would you do different to make us competitive to stay ahead of the likes of chelsea and man utd? Who are these amazing talents these teams have signed though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Sunday at 19:08 Share Posted Sunday at 19:08 6 minutes ago, thabucks said: Name the disadvantages - I’m all ears Killing football and the autonomy of these clubs who existed for over 100 years or so. Is more to football than Aston Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Sunday at 19:25 Share Posted Sunday at 19:25 18 minutes ago, bobzy said: There are no disadvantages for the main club - it’s all pros. For the other clubs involved, it may be absolutely fine. The other side of this is having your club run as a feeder academy and losing your best players and your clubs’ identity. It’s a shit part of football. Having businessmen owners of a club is bad enough, let alone them having multiple clubs all under one roof. But name one disadvantage Vitoria have experienced since they’ve partnered with us ? Or Zed FC or Vissel kobe ? How have they lost any of their identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Sunday at 19:32 Share Posted Sunday at 19:32 5 minutes ago, thabucks said: But name one disadvantage Vitoria have experienced since they’ve partnered with us ? Or Zed FC or Vissel kobe ? How have they lost any of their identity It’s been one year so they haven’t yet. Barely anything has happened - it all takes time to come to fruition. Though, for Zed, they’ve lost (presumably) their most promising player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Sunday at 19:40 Share Posted Sunday at 19:40 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bobzy said: It’s been one year so they haven’t yet. Barely anything has happened - it all takes time to come to fruition. Though, for Zed, they’ve lost (presumably) their most promising player. So you’re basing your concerns on what may be in years to come based on ? If we didn’t sign Kedhr someone else would’ve … so what disadvantage have they had by partnering with us - they would’ve lost him anyhow. They can leverage the connection when enticing players to join their youth system - where are the disadvantages in that? Again our tie ups have been in partnership and alliance that benefit both parties. Edited Sunday at 19:45 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Sunday at 19:49 Share Posted Sunday at 19:49 39 minutes ago, Zatman said: Killing football and the autonomy of these clubs who existed for over 100 years or so. Is more to football than Aston Villa How have we killed the autonomy of Vitoria by owning 29% ? Also how have and effected The autonomy of ZED FC or Vissel Kobe by forming a technical alliance in a collaboration … WE haven’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Sunday at 19:51 Share Posted Sunday at 19:51 10 minutes ago, thabucks said: So you’re basing your concerns on what may be in years to come based on ? If we didn’t sign Kedhr someone else would’ve … so what disadvantage have they had by partnering with us - they would’ve lost him anyhow. They can leverage the connection when enticing players to join their youth system - where are the disadvantages in that? Again our tie ups have been in partnership and alliance that benefit both parties. I have no real concerns other than it’s a shit part of football and I’d rather Aston Villa weren’t involved. That’s it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Sunday at 19:54 Share Posted Sunday at 19:54 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: I have no real concerns other than it’s a shit part of football and I’d rather Aston Villa weren’t involved. That’s it. Fair enough … I think we the way we have gone about to date has been exemplary and cannot see that changing with our owners Edited Sunday at 19:54 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted Sunday at 20:22 Share Posted Sunday at 20:22 11 hours ago, Zatman said: What benefits have multi club ownership brought to anybody. Troyes, Molenbeek and Lorient are teams connected to Premier League multi club owners who were relegated last season Ita a scum model and killing the game along with other things. Real Union away kit looking like Villa colours is awful but people mocked Newcastle and Wolves having Saudi/Portuguese jerseys That’s really angry for 8am? Did you get out the wrong side of the bed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted Sunday at 20:26 Share Posted Sunday at 20:26 It’s V Sports not Aston Villa. Chill out, feel free to criticise NSWE but they have only been good for us and this has no bearing us as a club or our progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Sunday at 20:29 Share Posted Sunday at 20:29 6 minutes ago, thunderball said: That’s really angry for 8am? Did you get out the wrong side of the bed? Was not 8am my time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted Sunday at 20:31 Share Posted Sunday at 20:31 9 hours ago, Captain_Townsend said: I love NSWE. They got us our villa back (even if I think we have been losing it again over the past 12 months off the field). I am not especially fussed about the V sports stuff, yes, look, it is what it is and more power to them More broadly, surely some critical thinking is allowed about decisions being taken? For four or five years Lerner and Krulak were feted, and not really questioned. They said they were here for the long haul. However, when it all imploded they were nowhere to be seen and it was the fans left to pick up the pieces With us in the Championship. That's why I think the off field stuff is important and it should not just be a blank cheque. At the very least, these matters should be explained more honestly. Valid points, but the level of investment (£500m), all stock, no loans, demands a long term plan for a return. They can’t turn off the tap, they are in 10x what Lerner endured. Its a whole different proposition. If the club goes bust they leave with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted Monday at 08:24 Share Posted Monday at 08:24 13 hours ago, Zatman said: Who are these amazing talents these teams have signed though? You havent answered any of my questions. You havent provided a alternative plan? They obviously have these partnerships for more reasons than just players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Monday at 08:32 Share Posted Monday at 08:32 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: You havent answered any of my questions. You havent provided a alternative plan? They obviously have these partnerships for more reasons than just players. I already said these partnerships havent helped anybody in the league except Brighton. We finished over Chelsea and Spurs two seasons in a row Why do we need a Portuguese team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted Monday at 08:38 Share Posted Monday at 08:38 1 minute ago, Zatman said: I already said these partnerships havent helped anybody in the league except Brighton. We finished over Chelsea and Spurs two seasons in a row Why do we need a Portuguese team? Yes you have argued why its not good which is fine - But my question was if you can demonstrate to me there is a alternative way to having us compete with chelsea utd spurs on and off the pitch? Our owners clearly feel this is the way to move forward so ill support them on this. When it comes to making extra revenue a portion of our fans have issue - from the gambling sponsors, to the upper grounds and premium seats to multi-club ownership. Our fans want us to be competitive but these are the only ways we can compete and be smart in transfer market within the current rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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