Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 I've never been particularly pro/anti Gerrard, I just kind of accepted that it was a risky appointment and trusted the powers that be that he was worth giving a chance. After an initial upturn it's been very bitty, some good stuff here and there but an awful lot of dross, none worse than was served up on Saturday. My main gripe is that none of the issues we had when he arrived have been corrected. We can't put on a 90 minute performance, we still give away really really avoidable goals, and we still give the ball away far too easily. We are too easy to play against, more often than not we will defeat ourselves without the opposition having to do anything, and this was the same under Smith for his last year or so. It was easy to accept some of it last season as a work in progress, and that Gerrard was discovering these weaknesses as we trundled along and would fix them in due time. Unfortunately, the time is due and the problems persist, on top of that he seems to have created new problems. Coutinho, although a great signing for the profile of the club, forced one of our best players (Buendia) out of the team, which would be fine if Coutinho was consistently putting in performances, but he's not, and that's not entirely down to him, in a functional team I'm sure we'd get more out of him. The question is, was it worth it? Did we really need him? I like Coutinho, I still can't believe he plays for us, I'm just not sure his signing has been entirely beneficial. The whole captaincy debacle is weird, if he wanted to pick his own captain fine, do it when you arrive, or if you want to assess and not upset the apple cart do it as soon as the season ends. I see no benefit to making the change weeks before a season begins and alienating a good player in the process. I feel like something has happened to force the timing of it, but the feeling remains it has been handled poorly. Making players train with the kids, what is the purpose? Where's the benefit? It feels like man management is lacking there. I am surprised by the reaction after Bournemouth, the fans, and the media have really jumped on it, and if you lose the fans and possibly some of the dressing room you are in big trouble, there's not really any coming back from that. I'm not sure if we are at that stage yet, but it feels like it's on the precipice. We have a good squad of players, and they are not performing to their potential or anywhere near it, and at the end of the day in part that is what Mr Gerrard is paid handsomely to do. He needs a good start against Everton, because if we concede early again the atmosphere will become unbearable, if I was Lampard I'd be looking to take advantage of that. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 https://fb.watch/eOgxDMg0eG/ Starting to become a laughing stock now. The comments on that video are all people talking about how he isn't good enough. I want to support him but this is only going one way and I think the owners should get it done quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rolta said: Man City in the last game of the season was pretty spot on for 70ish minutes. Meant nothing in the end though did it? And it was SG who f***ed up that result and game. He makes poor decisions, consistently. Such an embarrassing capitulation in such a short span of time. Edited August 9, 2022 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Not the person you replied to, but while I wouldn't expect protests, I also don't expect people to bury their heads in the sand, but it's what a lot of people did while we scraped our way to some decent results with atrocious performances in pre season, as well as completely excusing poor performances last season because he just needed the summer. I’ve never judged us on preseason and never well. But the shit on Saturday being like last season is obviously a big concern. Im not burying my head in the sand, there’s a lot of things to be upset about which has been done to death on here by others. Im going to cling on to some hope we come good though. What else can I do? I don’t want to go Villa park with a toxic atmosphere. I hate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted August 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, Jas10 said: FFS this is completely unacceptable… why is he still here? I can’t see how/why anyone can back him, it just gets worse… Sacking a manager after 1 game into the season is mental. No decent player/manager will ever want to be associated with the club if we do things like that. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Xela said: Sacking a manager after 1 game into the season is mental. No decent player/manager will ever want to be associated with the club if we do things like that. I think he’ll get to the break. As many fans have mentioned it will be a good time for clubs to make changes if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 If we lose on weekend i think he is going to be under severe pressure already Really needs to turn this around asap no more excuses 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think he’ll get to the break. As many fans have mentioned it will be a good time for clubs to make changes if needed. The owners and the CEO will know when/if to make a change. It won't be after one or two games though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Dalglish is the all time leader in the PL sack race, 2 games into the season. Gerrard is unlikely to match that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's 4-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Meant nothing in the end though did it? And it was SG who f***ed up that result and game. He makes poor decisions, consistently. Such an embarrassing capitulation in such a short span of time. Can you elaborate on why you think Gerrard was to blame for that game? And does he not get any credit for the first 70 minutes? Edited August 9, 2022 by Robbie09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Xela said: Sacking a manager after 1 game into the season is mental. No decent player/manager will ever want to be associated with the club if we do things like that. I don't think Gerrard would allow himself to be sacked, I think he would walk before that. I think hes lost some of the players judging by that game against Bournemouth, they all looked very subdued. Be interesting to see how was play against Everton. This is the problem with in experienced managers, they won't have affective methods to deal with certain situations. They can get coaches in to help with the technical side of it but when it comes to man management it's down to the manager and he's learning his trade with £40m assets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’ve never judged us on preseason and never well. But the shit on Saturday being like last season is obviously a big concern. Im not burying my head in the sand, there’s a lot of things to be upset about which has been done to death on here by others. Im going to cling on to some hope we come good though. What else can I do? I don’t want to go Villa park with a toxic atmosphere. I hate it. I get it mate and it’s usually best to remain hopeful or optimistic. But we need something tangible to give us that hope… The problem is, that hope has dissipated for many of us and we don’t all think/feel alike. All I have had is hope ever since SG arrived (nothing gave me much encouragement) and he has had it all his own way but is still messing up… I really don’t think k fans want to be toxic for the sake of it, there are usually reasons/causes. Not that I’m encouraging toxicity, that’s not going to help anyone especially at VP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Robbie09 said: Can you elaborate on why you think Gerrard was to blame for that game? And does he not get any credit for the first 70 minutes? We fell apart and backed off further once he brought Nakamba on… invited all the pressure and carried no threat and no ball retention. The wrong change, we were asking for it. Anyway, this isn’t about one game… Sure, I can give credit for the 70 mins but what does that count for? We’ve had zero consistency and not played well for more than a single half… Edited August 9, 2022 by Jas10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 God has spoken https://twitter.com/Paulmcgrath5/status/1556911908992819203?t=rdWzw_PX_Hp9KkHvcMK7jg&s=19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jas10 said: I really don’t think k fans want to be toxic for the sake of it, there are usually reasons/causes. Not that I’m encouraging toxicity, that’s not going to help anyone especially at VP. It's already toxic on here. I've just read the last ten pages. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Meant nothing in the end though did it? And it was SG who f***ed up that result and game. He makes poor decisions, consistently. Such an embarrassing capitulation in such a short span of time. It's just a bit disengenuous to say that considering what you said before ("Any positive performances under SG were a hell of a long time ago"). It reminds me of a similar complaint about him never playing Buendia and Coutinho together, which he did in that very game, two competitive games ago. You're on a crusade though so I'll leave you to it. For the record, I am leaning over to the 'he needs to sort things out quickly or time's up' side of the fence, but I just spotted that this discussion felt a little over-biased. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, Xela said: Sacking a manager after 1 game into the season is mental. No decent player/manager will ever want to be associated with the club if we do things like that. How many further losses and poor performances do you think we should be willing to tolerate? Again, it’s not 1 game but I’ll try to stop emphasising that point as it appears to be falling on deaf ears. If we truly are ambitious, I don’t think we should be too concerned with what people think and should be more focussed on our own progress and success. Another season wasted, that is one of my main concerns. But I feel he could be doing a lot of damage to the team in various ways. Unrest isn’t helpful for anyone. The more damage, the more repair work there is… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rolta said: It's just a bit disengenuous to say that considering what you said before ("Any positive performances under SG were a hell of a long time ago"). It reminds me of a similar complaint about him never playing Buendia and Coutinho together, which he did in that very game, two competitive games ago. You're on a crusade though so I'll leave you to it. For the record, I am leaning over to the 'he needs to sort things out quickly or time's up' side of the fence, but I just spotted that this discussion felt a little over-biased. A crusade No need to be so dramatic. It wasn’t an amazing performance in my eyes, City weren’t exactly at their best but it was good to see a bit of resilience about us…until we completely collapsed. I was on the fence, but now I am not… You and anyone else are entitled to feel differently. I don’t need to constantly justify my view, you’re welcome to disagree. Edited August 9, 2022 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Xela said: It's already toxic on here. I've just read the last ten pages. Then we have different views on the definition of toxic. Criticism, frustrating and annoyance is not the same things as toxicity. We’re on a forum, it’s not like we’re constantly screaming “GERRARD OUT” at VP is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Jas10 said: How many further losses and poor performances do you think we should be willing to tolerate? Again, it’s not 1 game but I’ll try to stop emphasising that point as it appears to be falling on deaf ears. If we truly are ambitious, I don’t think we should be too concerned with what people think and should be more focussed on our own progress and success. Another season wasted, that is one of my main concerns. But I feel he could be doing a lot of damage to the team in various ways. Unrest isn’t helpful for anyone. The more damage, the more repair work there is… It's not for me to say how people should feel. Different people will have different expectations. I'm more than happy to see how it pans out over the next 7 or 8 games. He earned that after last season IMO. In terms of what goes on behind the scenes, no one really knows. Perhaps I'm just tired of it all. I used to like supporting the club. Now I find it wears me out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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