Zatman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’m not bothered by the team he picks. I think we have a good squad so whatever team is put out there should be able to do a job. My biggest concern is how clueless we looked in breaking Bournemouth down. Isnt that on the manager and the fact he has no playing structure. People on here called it out in pre season and were laughed at as being dramatic. Now it's not a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: When he came in, I didn't really think of his past much, I just thought what a player he was, an that he had big potential as a manager taking rangers to the title. He also talked a good game with a top coach at hand in Beale. Well with Beale looking like a bit of a fraud at his new club, Gerrard is starting to look like the scouse, arrogant, ex Liverpool player I didn't want to remember. Gerrard arriving with Beale as his mastermind was worrying me already back then. Coaches having different strengths sounds good in theory, but I’d still like the main man to have clear ideas of his own about how to set up a team. Gerrard taking a coordinator role as manager makes him look a bit like a shell to me, a well known name and face. Edited August 7, 2022 by VillaParkAvenue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) We play no better without Beale than we did with him. I dont care who is coming up with the plan. It didnt work against Bournemouth. Time to change it. Edited August 7, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 My biggest problem continues to be his petty temperament. Sulking on the bench when the chips are down; implying Mings hasn’t got the fight to play in public; snapping at a journalist for suggesting coutinho was out of position. the guy’s a sensitive schmuck who will likely be either in the lower leagues or a crappy pundit in 2-3 years time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 3 hours ago, TRO said: where's your evidence, it would be any better?......it could be worse.... That argument means you’d never change manager ever though… it could always be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Seems like 90% on here want Gerrard out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, JPJCB said: My biggest problem continues to be his petty temperament. Sulking on the bench when the chips are down; implying Mings hasn’t got the fight to play in public; snapping at a journalist for suggesting coutinho was out of position. the guy’s a sensitive schmuck who will likely be either in the lower leagues or a crappy pundit in 2-3 years time That's what happens when people have been blowing smoke up your ass your whole life. You would think he was Pirlo or Zidane the way the English media went on about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, rbcuk said: This is going to be our problem all season Ery interesting. I'm starting to understand what people are on about regarding Gerrard now. I missed much of last season, but indications are that he truly lacks a tactical lens to use. Troubling. Hope for improvement soon of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 My greatest concern right now is that… it’s going to be another wasted season. I’m sick to death of the “next season”, next season”, next season” talk. It’s about time we made the most of the resources available to us and started to kick on… at this rate, we’re just going to regress and either be overtaken or left behind by other teams. No one is looking to stand still, everyone is trying to improve, competition is fierce. We’ll just end up struggling in the lower half as we have been… and wasting millions as we go… the pot will dry up eventually unless we start to taste some sort of success… I’m tired of being tolerant and patient… we had it so good under Smith (were finally on an upward trajectory with pride restored in the club and an actual connection to the fans, after being in the doldrums for so long… on the pitch, it looks and feels like we’re starting to slip back toward that direction) and he was booted out during our first real blip or setback despite all of the circumstances and disruptions. What was the point in sacking him and replacing him with what is, essentially, a hugely risky appointment when we have not even improved or progressed in any way at all? We needed an upgrade not… whatever the F this is… I wanted to see how things panned out with SG before being too critical or judgemental and was hoping (that’s all I have) that we would be fit and firing at the start of this season but I found watching us during preseason discouraging too. But still, hoped that it would be a different story once all the “prep” had been done and we would start off in the right way… sadly not. I really haven’t enjoyed us during his time at the club… and that’s a real shame… We are no longer an entertaining team and we do not have a defined style or identity… it’s just shite. What is SG even being paid to do? He’s like a flipping foreman/supervisor who leans on a team of underlings to do all of his work and answer all of his questions… WTF? He can’t seem to function without an “assistant” who apparently does the vast majority of coaching and tactical work… it’s quite embarrassing and nonsensical… it’s all about making his name and boosting his reputation and ego… kind of stinks… This isn’t just a reaction to one game, SG has been with us for 9 months. His record is abysmal and should not be overlooked. 6 wins in 23 games? 2 in our last 12? He can F right off! He’s as bad as Gary Neville! The club constantly talks of ambition and intimates that we want to be a top half team and be competing for Europe. We are a long way away from that, sides like that need consistency, a defined way of playing and need to be prepared for “every single game”. We are not that, not by a long shot. CP talked of continual improvement… well where the hell is it? Get someone who can actually give us a chance of doing that then… instead of discarding the guy who pretty much rebuilt and restored the pride and integrity of this famous club and replace him with a rookie who has turned out to be quite useless so far… If we really have ambition, let’s show it! Go for a proper manager (such as Poch) who has demonstrated his abilities and is not just a face or full of hollow words and no action. Ambition sometimes requires ruthlessness and a willingness to accept a wrong decision has been made or that things aren’t working out… regardless of what others may think. We are Aston Villa, we should never be a proving ground or trial for anyone let alone Stevie f***ing G! 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, messi11 said: Seems like 90% on here want Gerrard out More like 90% think he is not delivering and we need to be prepared for a managerial change if things don't get better quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Unless there's a miracle over the horizon he'll be playing 3 at the back before you know it, so why wait for the inevitable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Here are his actual numbers. That can't be right can it? We won his first 4 matches (IIRC?) which skews his win percentage massively. But surely we've won more than 4 games since then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That's what happens when people have been blowing smoke up your ass your whole life. You would think he was Pirlo or Zidane the way the English media went on about him. Well him being English and all.... It probably makes sense? How many midfielders have the English had better than him in modern history? I get that people are annoyed with / don't rate him as a manager/person, but I find that negativity spilling over into questioning his pedigree as a player a little bit more than disengenuous. Edited August 7, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted August 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Here are his actual numbers. Win percentages, for mine, are a bit misleading: It doesn't separate losses from draws. If we look at loss percentages - that is, where you failed to pick up a point - the table would look like this (the higher the percentage, the worse you are) Paul Lambert: 47.82% Tim Sherwood: 57.14% Remi Garde: 56.52% Roberto Di Matteo: 33.33% Steve Bruce: 30.39% Dean Smith: 38.05% Steven Gerrard: 52.38% Not good reading for Gerrard - only Sherwood and Garde failed harder. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Well him being English and all.... It probably makes sense? How many midfielders have the English had better than him in modern history? I get that people are annoyed with / don't rate him as a manager, but I find that negativity spilling over into questioning his pedigree as a player a little bit more than disengenuous. I've contested his pedigree as a player while he was still playing mate, trust me. He was a 100 mph explosive player that the English loved. He was not as adept at controlling games from midfield, kind of like our JJ actually. No surprise his best run of form came playing further up supporting Fernando Torres with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso taking care of the defensive and possession aspects behind him. I don't think he was ever in that world elite category. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: That can't be right can it? We won his first 4 matches (IIRC?) which skews his win percentage massively. But surely we've won more than 4 games since then? This is the updated win rate Aston Villa 11 November 2021 Present 29 10 5 14 34.5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I've contested his pedigree as a player while he was still playing mate, trust me. He was a 100 mph explosive player that the English loved. He was not as adept at controlling games from midfield, kind of like our JJ actually. No surprise his best run of form came playing further up supporting Fernando Torres with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso taking care of the defensive and possession aspects behind him. I don't think he was ever in that world elite category. Without going off topic he was good but very overrated as a player and why he stayed at mostly mid table Liverpool for his entire peak instead of going to a team like Madrid or Barcelona or Milan Dont mention loyalty as we know he wanted out in 2005 until he was threatened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: Without going off topic he was good but very overrated as a player and why he stayed at mostly mid table Liverpool for his entire peak instead of going to a team like Madrid or Barcelona or Milan Dont mention loyalty as we know he wanted out in 2005 until he was threatened Yeah I don't want to go off topic, just wanted to offer an explanation why he is the way he is with the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: Win percentages, for mine, are a bit misleading: It doesn't separate losses from draws. If we look at loss percentages - that is, where you failed to pick up a point - the table would look like this (the higher the percentage, the worse you are) Paul Lambert: 47.82% Tim Sherwood: 57.14% Remi Garde: 56.52% Roberto Di Matteo: 33.33% Steve Bruce: 30.39% Dean Smith: 38.05% Steven Gerrard: 52.38% Not good reading for Gerrard - only Sherwood and Garde failed harder. Loss percentages are misleading for the very same reason, it doesn't separate wins from draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 He’s a stubborn pr*ck… I really can’t see much changing and he’ll just continue to make the same shit decisions and play the same players… he’s too pig headed. As long as he keeps playing McGinn and Ramsey, we’re never going to improve in the way that we need to. Appointing John captain is an utter disaster. Midfield is a mess. We can’t control possession or dictate play (what even is our build up play or pattern of play? Just Cash and Digne send in aimless crosses to nobody?). What is he trying to do? Are there any signs of hope or encouragement? I can’t see the light… Maybe if he keeps splashing the cash… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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