MrBlack Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: Finishing 10 points and 3 positions off the previous season is really not entitled especially since we have spent a lot and he is apparently a "managerial upgrade" And took over when we were 8 points worse off than the season before total. So to end the season only 2 points further away suggests he improved the same squad of players beyond what Dean looked like he was achieving without Grealish. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: We didnt need to replace our manager for a so called significant upgrade that in reality is a rookie. Patience works both ways But we did and that is in the past, look to the future and support Gerrard. Smith is gone, move on. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, MrBlack said: And took over when we were 8 points worse off than the season before total. So to end the season only 2 points further away suggests he improved the same squad of players beyond what Dean looked like he was achieving without Grealish. But the second half of the 20/21 season was really poor so I’m not sure that’s the comparison you really want to make mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrBlack said: And took over when we were 8 points worse off than the season before total. So to end the season only 2 points further away suggests he improved the same squad of players beyond what Dean looked like he was achieving without Grealish. And amid the myriad b****** of the anti-Gerrad sentiment we finally get some sense. @MrBlack bravo! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nick76 said: But the second half of the 20/21 season was really poor so I’m not sure that’s the comparison you really want to make mate. I still don't believe Dean would have attracted Coutinho or Digne to us. And I don't believe he'd have turned our form around, the squad looked clueless and deflated. This despite Dean almost certainly being the better manager at this stage in their respective careers. Edited June 19, 2022 by MrBlack Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zhan_Zhuang said: And amid the myriad b****** of the anti-Gerrad sentiment we finally get some sense. @MrBlack bravo! anti-Gerrard? He literally has the same identical win record that Tim Sherwood has at Villa with better players. Frank Lampard has a better win rate at Everton though in fewer games Its blind support for the sake of it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: anti-Gerrard? He literally has the same identical win record that Tim Sherwood has at Villa with better players. Frank Lampard has a better win rate at Everton though in fewer games Its blind support for the sake of it Nope it's called patience! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, MrBlack said: I still don't believe Dean would have attracted Coutinho or Digne to us. And I don't believe he'd have turned our form around, the sqaud looked clueless and deflated. This despite Dean almost certainly being the better manager at this stage in their respective careers. That might be true but doesnt mean Gerrard is the answer to us going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zhan_Zhuang said: Nope it's called patience! so we should have kept Sherwood then? Since he managed the exact same games as Gerrard with a shitter squad with the exact same win record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: That might be true but doesnt mean Gerrard is the answer to us going forward You better get used to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: so we should have kept Sherwood then? Since he managed the exact same games as Gerrard with a shitter squad with the exact same win record Again I reaffirm, YOU are living in the past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Again I reaffirm, YOU are living in the past! So we are not allowed to mention things in the past because they make Gerrard look bad or out of his depth Its back to being mini North Korea in this thread about the manager......All hail supreme leader Gerrard. we wont talk about your flaws because you are the true leader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I still don't believe Dean would have attracted Coutinho or Digne to us. And I don't believe he'd have turned our form around, the sqaud looked clueless and deflated. This despite Dean almost certainly being the better manager at this stage in their respective careers. That’s only your view about Smith, it makes no difference and we’ll never know. The question is, do you think Gerrard turned our form around? After the initial burst of six games our run rate was very similar to Smith’s so did Gerrard turn it around? I agree Smith wouldn’t have attracted Digne, Coutinho and I’ll add Kamara. We know that Gerrard is brilliant at interviews, the media loves him, he’s brilliant at getting quality players in. Nobody has denied that. The question or the concern is, can he get the best out of players once he has them? He didn’t with the players he had last season but can he with some new players and some more time on the training pitch? That’s the million dollar question that we have to wait until next season to see. We are all hopeful! Edited June 19, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: That might be true but doesnt mean Gerrard is the answer to us going forward Guess we'll find out a few months into this season. Using sherwood as an example.... Sherwood got 4 points from 10 games just before he was sacked. Gerrard hasn't been on a run like that yet, and he's not had a pre season with the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, MrBlack said: Guess we'll find out a few months into this season. Using sherwood as an example.... Sherwood got 4 points from 10 games just before he was sacked. Gerrard hasn't been on a run like that yet, and he's not had a pre season with the squad. Of course but we have a much superior squad than that time not Bacuna, Richardson and Rudy Gestede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 **** hell, same old shit in here 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Guess we'll find out a few months into this season. Using sherwood as an example.... Sherwood got 4 points from 10 games just before he was sacked. Gerrard hasn't been on a run like that yet, and he's not had a pre season with the squad. He did have a run of 9 points from 10 games, which included wins over relegated Norwich and Burnley from the West Ham game onwards so not the level of Sherwood but wasn’t a great period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 It’s really disappointing to know that if Gerrard fails this thread will be full of smugness and I told you so’s. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It’s really disappointing to know that if Gerrard fails this thread will be full of smugness and I told you so’s. It is equally going to be frustrating for those banking on Gerrard to fail, it will be a hard pill to swallow if SG does well. I think he is going to do well, I expect us to progress next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: some would rather be be proven right than Gerrard be successful. that's hyperbole and certainly not my view and given I'm one of two people who seem to be on the "negative" side tonight I assume you are putting me in that category. It's amazing that we cant analyse, scrutinise, praise or criticise without silly statements like that. I want the best for Villa. My family and I have paid for our season tickets again even though we werent going to, increasing my 77 years old mom whose a loyal season ticket holder and has not the greatest health by 32% is taking the pee almost too far but we did renew. We put our money where our mouth is and 100% support at the ground throughout the matches, and have done for generations. We have the right to come on here and discuss concerns about Gerrard or any manager because that is part of the reason for fans to discuss, and the site is kindly run by Limpid and the moderators. I want Villa to succeed, I want Gerrard to succeed, I've never wanted Gerrard sacked. I think he's brilliant with the media, I think he's brilliant so far at getting real quality in the door which none of our previous managers could've attracted but I have concerns about the game play, the coaching and the tactics, and yes too early but I can only judge based on what I saw to date and not some fantasy about next season. If, like some have said, we have to wait for next season then this forum would be a waste ground because we cant discuss until then. I am hopeful he can turn the form around, that he can get some consistency but i have reservations about it certainly because he couldnt get the best out of the squad he has for over six months. Will time and some more of his players make a difference, we all hope so but this narrative of we want Gerrard to fail is just plain silly. There obviously will be one or two who think that but the likes of me and others who discuss generally dont think like that and i feel it's unfair for comments like that to be directed. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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