tinker Posted November 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: So tragic these moans. Space cadets saying oh we should have done this or that. I'll miss lots of the big Smith grumbles to be honest. They were brilliant for cheering me up after losses. Smexit is smexit , now move on and get ready for Gerrard to prove Purslow right in throwing our kitchen sink at him ( and his lovely arse, check the independent article on him) Gonna be a great couple of months on here and it's bound to lead to a few Broken hearts, shattered reputations and cancelled subscriptions . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Maybe I'm being a bit old school here but I think was Clough who said that the manager should be the highest paid person at the club. Either him or Fergie. It was a legend anyway. And I fully agree. They are top of the tree, literally 'the gaffer'. Name me another trade where the workers are paid more than the gaffer. They are the figurehead of the club, numero uno and should be compensated as such. So what we're concerning ourselves with here is the amount of money floating around in football, which is hardly a new problem tbh. I mean it’s not uncommon at all when the staff the manager oversees are highly specialised and technical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 So many DJs in this thread smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jas10 said: Appreciate the response but it hasn’t affected my feelings… I just don’t see any kind of guarantee here… in any way. I’ve listened to and watched a fair bit of content such as the source you mentioned. Personally, it means nothing to me unless it’s reflected out on that pitch… anyone can talk the talk, it’s about walking the walk… There have been many ex players who had steel, determination and a will to win (as well as a large trophy cabinet) who have utterly failed as managers. It’s a completely different experience and requires a different skillset, including intelligence (which many of them lack ). I can see why some would believe he could help us or be the right man to lead us, but I cannot see anything to create any confidence… I’m hoping for the best, positive performances from the off. Anticipating and hoping for a new manager bounce. Imo, we must beat one of Brighton or Palace to kind of salvage our season and get of on the right foot, need a base to build on.. It’s going to be much tougher if we lose both of those games. On the bright side, if we put in positive performances and get results in those games then I would not be surprised to see us get a result against one, if not more, of the big boys. We managed it with Dean after all. It may seem unfair but Gerrard has to hit the ground running here with us… if we really are as ambitious as we claim and the ownership have so much faith in the new man, we simply must. I’m not willing to predict a thing All I hope for, initially, is that we start winning games again. We have to. Thanks for taking the time to respond TRO. Onwards n upwards I hope. UTV They can't walk the walk, until they have there boots on....i.e ( start playing the games) There are no guarantee's from any manager....so its a moot point. I am delighted by the appointment, based on what I think and perceive.....but others may have to wait until they see what he does, if they don't think like me. Edited November 13, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, KMitch said: Can't wait to see VillaTalks reaction if Gerrard does one of the following: Not name Sanson to the matchday squad Sub on Nakamba/Davis/Young instead of the Carney/AAron/JPB Wait until the 65th minute to make subs Not "Change the system" at halftime when we're down at half Play a 532... so thats all there is to management, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TRO said: They can't walk the walk, until they have there boots on. What? You know what I mean mate… it’s ok talking up your mentality and approach but it’s how you get the players performing out on that pitch… talk is cheap and been proven to be many, many times over… Moot point? I didn’t say there were any guarantees. But there is such a thing as a calculated risk, rather than blind faith. Someone with more experience in terms of working and achieving success in a top league and with high quality, high profile players provides a lot more assurance at the very least… Rather than the allure of a name, or going off the past talent and experience of a former player… (not saying this is definitely the case here but it can happen, people are often drawn to “celebrity status” rather than fully assessing someone’s credentials or ability). As I’ve explained, I can’t call this either way but I don’t see or feel any evidence or substance for having a heap of confidence over personally. I hope it works out well, I really do, but who can say at this point? I don’t mean to come across as negative, it’s not my intention. But I am absolutely not all that excited and confident… it’s an unpredictable scenario for me. Glad that you’re feeling positive, hopefully that can eventually be a universal or widely shared feeling. I am not passing any kind of judgement… again, I’m taking the wait and see approach. But I also believe there are very valid concerns over this. Anyway, I’m looking forward to see us back in action and am eager to see how we perform. We need results asap, and positive performances to give us hope and faith… Edited November 13, 2021 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 20 hours ago, IrishVilla10 said: You could be in for a shock mate. We only finished on 55 last season and we’ve already lost 7 games. We lost 15 all of last season. We’ve given ourselves a big mountain to climb I won't be shocked because I expect nothing of the manager at the moment. With who we have in the squad that is what they should be achieving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, TRO said: They can't walk the walk, until they have there boots on. There are no guarantee's from any manager....so its a moot point. I am delighted by the appointment, based on what I think and perceive.....but others may have to wait until they see what he does, if they don't think like me. What is it exactly that has you delighted? Or so confident? Please continue and enjoy it, I just can’t garner that feeling for myself. I hope you’re spot on TRO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jas10 said: What? You know what I mean mate… it’s ok talking up your mentality and approach but it’s how you get the players performing out on that pitch… talk is cheap and been proven to be many, many times over… Moot point? I didn’t say there were any guarantees. But there is such a thing as a calculated risk, rather than blind faith. Someone with more experience in terms of working and achieving success in a top league and with high quality, high profile players provides a lot more assurance at the very least… Rather than the allure of a name, or going off the past talent and experience of a former player… (not saying this is definitely the case here but it can happen, people are often drawn to “celebrity status” rather than fully assessing someone’s credentials or ability). As I’ve explained, I can’t call this either way but I don’t see or feel any evidence or substance for having a heap of confidence over personally. I hope it works out well, I really do, but who can say at this point? I don’t mean to come across as negative, it’s not my intention. But I am absolutely not all that excited and confident… it’s an unpredictable scenario for me. Glad that you’re feeling positive, hopefully that can eventually be a universal or widely shared feeling. I am not passing any kind of judgement… again, I’m taking the wait and see approach. But I also believe there are very valid concerns over this. Anyway, I’m looking forward to see us back in action and am eager to see how we perform. We need results asap, and positive performances to give us hope and faith… I wasn't being funny, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion....and like you say, if unsure, just wait and see....best option. I am simply putting my head above the parapet, thats how confident, I am of SG making his mark. my opinion is, and his "Box Office" name is not the fundamental reason for my confidence, its the right appointment....Its many factors, that impress me about his make up and his drive. I'm sorry, if we don't share the initial confidence, before a ball has been kicked, but I will be shocked rigid, if he doesn't tear it up with us in a reasonable amount of time. Thats my initial feeling, time will tell me, if I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TRO said: I wasn't being funny, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion....and like you say, if unsure, just wait and see....best option. I am simply putting my head above the parapet, thats how confident, I am of SG making his mark. my opinion is, and his "Box Office" name is not the fundamental reason for my confidence, its the right appointment....Its many factors, that impress me about his make up and his drive. I'm sorry, if we don't share the initial confidence, before a ball has been kicked, but I will be shocked rigid, if he doesn't tear it up with us in a reasonable amount of time. Thats my initial feeling, time will tell me, if I was right. I’m hoping you were right all along. I would like to share in that confidence but there is simply no reason for me to, nothing is inclining me to. Just interested in seeing your reasoning (what factors?) but you can tell me to go away if you wish Edited November 13, 2021 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jas10 said: What is it exactly that has you delighted? Or so confident? Please continue and enjoy it, I just can’t garner that feeling for myself. I hope you’re spot on TRO. similar confidence I had with Ron Saunders.....The make up of the man, the standards he will strive for, the will to win, the inner belief he has in himself and subsequently what he gives out. I think you either see it, or you don't. Most of the podcasters after doing more research are beginning to believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jas10 said: I’m hoping you were right all along. I would like to share in that confidence but there is simply no reason for me to, nothing is inclining me to. Just interested in seeing your reasoning (what factors?) but you can tell me to go away if you wish I have mentioned several times on here....but it is summed up by a general gut feeling, it just feels right. Its late now and I am turning in....but he is a natural Born winner, allied to a modern thinking manager, with an impressively assembled back room staff, what is there to not like. His winning mentality, is contagious....He will change the mood and instill belief. He has the "Sizzle "..or X factor, call it what you will. Edited November 13, 2021 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) A win against Brighton will be so huge. Our players need a confidence boost, badly. And some momentum. Let's hope Gerrard and Co. can strike a fire. Edited November 13, 2021 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, TRO said: similar confidence I had with Ron Saunders.....The make up of the man, the standards he will strive for, the will to win, the inner belief he has in himself and subsequently what he gives out. I think you either see it, or you don't. Most of the podcasters after doing more research are beginning to believe. So his personality? Just that? Rather than his ability and achievements as a manager? I see what you’re saying (he displayed it in his playing career for sure) I just don’t think it automatically means he is going to be highly successful as a manager… More of a feeling than anything? Ok… it’s certainly not a poor reason but still doesn’t provide any assurance for me. He definitely has those traits though, of that there is no doubt. It’s whether he can transfer that to our players… and that (along with getting results and quality performances) depends much more on his skill and ability as a manager, although the personality can certainly aid that… Just to give one example of it not working out or transferring, Roy Keane would be described and viewed similarly. (Not a fan personally, Gerrard is a far superior player and less of a nasty piece of work imo). But he has been a disaster as either a coach or manager. He certainly had no positive impact when he came in to assist Lambert here either.. Gary Neville? There’re plenty of examples really, home and abroad. Some have been very successful too, not overlooking that. Not saying that it’s going to be anything like that for him here and it’s true that his achievements at Rangers do have some worth… just pointing out that perceived strong characters or personalities are not necessarily a success when it comes to operating in a different field/position. I do hope he will lift and boost the players, inspire them, bring some discipline and higher standards… that would be excellent. But it’s all a big IF atm. Maybe this is the shakeup we needed… again, I hope so. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, TRO said: I have mentioned several times on here....but it is summed up by a general gut feeling, it just feels right. Its late now and I am turning in....but he is a natural Born winner, allied to a modern thinking manager, with an impressively assembled back room staff, what is there to not like. His winning mentality, is contagious....He will change the mood and instill belief. He has the "Sizzle "..or X factor, call it what you will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted November 13, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) I feel like we’ve got a manager on an upward trajectory rather than on the downward spin. Aside from Dean, many of our other recent managers all had that downward spin to them Edited November 13, 2021 by alreadyexists 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: I feel like we’ve got a manager on an upward trajectory rather than on the downward spin. Aside from Dean, many of our other recent managers all had that downward spin to them Yeah I'm confident that when Gerrard retires from management, he'll be considered a great, he's going to win many league titles and champions Leagues Edited November 13, 2021 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasetown Villa Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Steve Gerrard, Gerrard, He came down to Villa Park, He’s ready to take us far, Steve Gerrard, Gerrard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chasetown Villa said: Steve Gerrard, Gerrard, He came down to Villa Park, He’s ready to take us far, Steve Gerrard, Gerrard! Nah, have to do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted November 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Robtaylor200 said: Nah, have to do better On 11/11/2021 at 11:49, alreadyexists said: He’s tall, he’s scouse, He’ll steal your f***ing house, He’s Stevie G, he’s Stevie G, With Tom, and Beale, He’s gone and had your wheels, He’s Stevie G, he’s Stevie G. See my attempt earlier in the week, I’ve tweaked it slightly and I think I nailed it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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