TRO Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, lexicon said: We don't - because as far as I know he's never talked about it. He doesn't have many redeeming features that I can see, though. wow....some of us sure are different in our thinking, if you mean Gerrard?......fascinating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, lexicon said: I don't separate the art from the person and I'm not going to turn a blind eye to shithousery just because somebody was good at something. Gerrard has enough negative aspects of his personality, as demonstrated on the pitch and off it, in my opinion, that I don't want him managing the club. Load of cobblers 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I don’t know how so many of you seem to know so much about Gerrards personality and why there is so much dislike of the man. Baffling. If he does get hired I hope you can all put that vitriol behind you and at least give him a chance and a fresh slate. Anyone would think he would be a worse hire then Mcleish! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I don’t disagree but then given the stat I quoted previously and the rapidly increasing salaries of managers I’d ask does it make sense to appoint managers on 4 or 5 year contracts? I’d argue not and would point at the 18 month deal (with options to extend) Spurs appointed Conte on a few weeks ago. Also fair. I think my comments aren't really about whatever contract length we give a manager, it's about the philosophy of the club's leadership group. I mean they bought the club, including an inherited manager, who they got rid of in October, after the summer takeover. They had an aim of promotion in 2 years and stay up and then push on. That plan was met, arguably ahead of schedule. They've now potted the manager who did that (because results etc.) . That's not something I personally liked, but I understand it. The reservation is that they've acted in haste rather than according to longer term thinking and an acceptance that there will be bumps in the road. That the money and ambition have rubbed up against a reality in a massively competitive league and they've over-reacted to the real world circumstances as soon as their ambitions and plans started to go awry. It's their right to do that, it's their club, their money, their employees. I'm uneasy around the thinking though, I'm uneasy about the time they have to get a nee man in, or if they even have a plan around replacing Dean in this 2 weeks with someone who genuinely fits their objectives, that led to them sacking Dean. Maybe they'll feel they were reluctantly forced into it and had no choice. That the evidence around there being a change needed has been gathering for all of this year. Others would maybe say the circumstances around the pre-season and first 10 games are far from all at the feet of Dean Smith, and that while he was struggling to solve the problems caused by those circumstances, he's carried the can for wider issues and a new manager won't fix those underlying issues and getting someone in to do a short term job is the way to lose money and embed instability. Chelsea make that work (at considerable financial cost) , most other clubs don't. I think we need a longer term manager than the next cab off the rank who will be gone in a couple of years, and the process the club goes through to get them needs to be considered and thorough, not a panic move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, ReasonforRevolution said: Anyone remember the Gerrard tackle on Boateng in our 3-1 win at Anfield? Boateng is currently U23 coach. I think if the tackle had ended George's career then it would be very difficult. As luck would have it, George is indestructible - I fondly remember Paul Gascoigne elbowing him in the face and breaking his arm. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 If the Rangers manager were some 60 year old Scottish guy who didn't wear snappy coats and wasn't a huge name due to his playing career where he was a serial winner (really stretching out the meaning of serial there, considering he won 8 cup trophies in 17 years), I daresay the bedsheets would have made a comeback at Villa Park. Instead we're all like "hmm, yes...maybe. this might could possibly work". It's Henry all over again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Rangers were a shambles when Gerrard took over, to try and say he hasn't done well with them is just silly and very naive to think just anyone could have done the job he's done, and again when he went there they weren't the Rangers of old he had to get them back to that status. Also I'm guessing there's a very strong possibility that most of the people accusing the Scottish Premier League of being League Two standard or whatever have never watched a Scottish Premier League, and probably not a League Two game. He's done a good job in Scotland, he's been impressive that's just the way it is, whether that's enough for him to get the Villa job I don't know, but this idea that anyone could have achieved what he has with Rangers comes across as ignorance and misplaced arrogance. And I'm not particularly for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Tommo_b said: I don’t know how so many of you seem to know so much about Gerrards personality and why there is so much dislike of the man. Baffling. If he does get hired I hope you can all put that vitriol behind you and at least give him a chance and a fresh slate. Anyone would think he would be a worse hire then Mcleish! Its helps when saying that it is a bad appointment in and to try and justify that Dean shouldn't have been sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Load of cobblers Are you saying he's a shoe in for the job? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OutByEaster? Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 46 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I wish we'd had more players that fans of other teams hate. People tend to just feel apathy towards our players. That's why we never win anything. I think you're underestimating how much fans of other clubs hate our players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Not sure if he was in contention but he certainly distanced himself from the Newcastle job. Why would he do that and then consider Villa? Not saying we are a step down from Newcastle because we certainly aren’t. Both big historic clubs, big support , plenty of potential and money . Why maybe us and not them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: So you’re saying there still isn’t a chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: If the Rangers manager were some 60 year old Scottish guy who didn't wear snappy coats and wasn't a huge name due to his playing career where he was a serial winner (really stretching out the meaning of serial there, considering he won 8 cup trophies in 17 years), I daresay the bedsheets would have made a comeback at Villa Park. Instead we're all like "hmm, yes...maybe. this might could possibly work". It's Henry all over again. I think it's worth thinking about the positive effect Terry had on our defence here. I think most players would give that extra 10% respect to someone who has played at the top of the game and they grew up watching. It's not enough by itself but Gerrard being Gerrard does make him more appealing than a hypothetical 60 year old suit with the same qualifications imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 whether Steven Gerrard comes or not.....so many Liverpool fans and pundits bricking it. They clearly don't want to see Villa progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Keyblade said: If the Rangers manager were some 60 year old Scottish guy who didn't wear snappy coats and wasn't a huge name due to his playing career where he was a serial winner (really stretching out the meaning of serial there, considering he won 8 cup trophies in 17 years), I daresay the bedsheets would have made a comeback at Villa Park. Instead we're all like "hmm, yes...maybe. this might could possibly work". It's Henry all over again. So if he was a different person altogether the reaction would be different? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Not sure if he was in contention but he certainly distanced himself from the Newcastle job. Why would he do that and then consider Villa? Not saying we are a step down from Newcastle because we certainly aren’t. Both big historic clubs, big support , plenty of potential and money . Why maybe us and not them. They’re more likely to be relegated? Yeah they can buy in January but it’s not a given those signings will work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) For the last ten years we've either been in relegation battles or struggling to get promoted, and are now back in another relegation battle (hopefully not for long) even in the one season when we weren't in a relegation battle or struggling to get promoted we didn't even finish top half. Gerrard probably has just as much reason to question why he should join us as the other way around, because if he fails he will have to start again. Edited November 9, 2021 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, useless said: Rangers were a shambles when Gerrard took over, to try and say he hasn't done well with them is just silly and very naive to think just anyone could have done the job he's done, and again when he went there they weren't the Rangers of old he had to get them back to that status. Also I'm guessing there's a very strong possibility that most of the people accusing the Scottish Premier League of being League Two standard or whatever have never watched a Scottish Premier League, and probably not a League Two game. He's done a good job in Scotland, he's been impressive that's just the way it is, whether that's enough for him to get the Villa job I don't know, but this idea that anyone could have achieved what he has with Rangers comes across as ignorance and misplaced arrogance. And I'm not particularly for him. League One, not League Two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: So if he was a different person altogether the reaction would be different? Precisely. It's because he's Steven Gerrard and not because his qualifications are particularly impressive. Just like Henry sounded romantically nourishing in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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