The manager situation

[Peter Griffin]

4 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

Including this season, under Smith and Potter:

Villa: 100 points

Brighton: 99 points

We've had to lose 5 games in a row, and they've had their best start probably in their history and they still don't have more points than us.

The points return doesn't really make any sense without the amount of games played. I am guessing that both Smith and Potter have more points than Tuchel but that is meaningless

Edited November 6, 2021 by Peter Griffin

[Farlz]

Potter is a fine manager but I will never understand the massive hard on for this bloke 

[robby b]

I think we might need a new manager bounce before Brighton to give us a better chance of beating them or at least avoiding a sixth defeat in a row. Five in a row is dangerous enough. Otherwise I just see us sliding into the relegation zone very soon.

[Keyblade]

3 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

The points return doesn't really make any sense without the amount of games played. I am guessing that both Smith and Potter have more points than Tuchel but that is meaningless

They've played the same number of games.

[Peter Griffin]

1 minute ago, Farlz said:

Potter is a fine manager but I will never understand the massive hard on for this bloke 

The way his teams play and how organised they are and how everyone looks like they know what they are doing

[useless]

Brighton haven't won any of their last seven games in all competitions, they had a fantastic start to the season that should see them avoid relegation presuming that they don't go on a disastrous run, but their recent forms shows that they're back to being the Brighton of last season and the season before and will probably sink back to being midtable if not lower midtable.

[Keyblade]

Just now, Peter Griffin said:

The way his teams play and how organised they are and how everyone looks like they know what they are doing

You can say the same about Norwich under Farke. When it doesn't translate to anything tangible, it's meaningless. 

[Peter Griffin]

2 minutes ago, robby b said:

I think we might need a new manager bounce before Brighton to give us a better chance of beating them or at least avoiding a sixth defeat in a row. Five in a row is dangerous enough. Otherwise I just see us sliding into the relegation zone very soon.

Having lost on Friday we needed to rely on other results not to drop into relegation this weekend.

[Peter Griffin]

3 minutes ago, useless said:

Brighton haven't won any of their last seven games in all competitions, they had a fantastic start to the season that should see them avoid relegation presuming that they don't go on a disastrous run, but their recent forms shows that they're back to being the Brighton of last season and the season before and will probably sink back to being midtable if not lower midtable.

Have u watched any of their games. They play good football

[Farlz]

2 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

The way his teams play and how organised they are and how everyone looks like they know what they are doing

Well done Graham your teams play nice football, that has resulted in a 15th and 16th place finish over the past 2 seasons. 

[Keyblade]

1 minute ago, Farlz said:

Well done Graham your teams play nice football, that has resulted in a 15th and 16th place finish over the past 2 seasons. 

You ever watch Brighton play? You never think they're going to score. I remember we went to the Amex last season, and they were basically camped out in our half all game but I wasn't once worried about conceding. It's all very pretty in between the 2 penalty boxes. 

[Peter Griffin]

Just now, Farlz said:

Well done Graham your teams play nice football, that has resulted in a 15th and 16th place finish over the past 2 seasons. 

There is a bit more to it than that. Playing good football is the precursor to winning things. It is silly to try and compare managers on wins and points only and particularly so for Villa as we will likely not be getting an elite manager

[Peter Griffin]

1 minute ago, Keyblade said:

You ever watch Brighton play? You never think they're going to score. I remember we went to the Amex last season, and they were basically camped out in our half all game but I wasn't once worried about conceding. It's all very pretty in between the 2 penalty boxes. 

And what could happen to that team if more quality was added I wonder

[M_Afro]

It’s all gone very quiet. Now is the perfect time to sack Dean. If they don’t do it now, I suspect he will be given until the end of the year at least. I can’t think of a single rational reason that an ambitious owner would do that but there you go. It’s certainly one way of tackling the waiting list.

[useless]

I've watched plenty of Brighton games, but them playing 'good football' doesn't make Potter a good manager if they aren't getting the results to match. Not sure why people talk about Potter as if he's the first manager to get a bottom half team playing good football, Martinez did with Wigan, Southampton have done it under various managers, so too Swansea, Albion played good football for a spell too, and I'm sure there are countless other examples, most which wouldn't have spent as much as Brighton have in recent seasons.

[fightoffyour]

 

16 minutes ago, Farlz said:

Potter is a fine manager but I will never understand the massive hard on for this bloke 

Good beard

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by fightoffyour

[Keyblade]

1 minute ago, Peter Griffin said:

And what could happen to that team if more quality was added I wonder

He spent 20m on Neal Maupay. Their team is full of quality. Brighton are among the biggest spenders outside of the big 6. 

[vreitti]

9 minutes ago, M_Afro said:

It’s all gone very quiet. Now is the perfect time to sack Dean. If they don’t do it now, I suspect he will be given until the end of the year at least. I can’t think of a single rational reason that an ambitious owner would do that but there you go. It’s certainly one way of tackling the waiting list.

Perhaps it's as simple as there isn't a standout replacement available? 

[useless]

Maybe we're just not as ambitious as people think and as long as we don't get relegated that will be good enough, same for most teams outside the top six.

[Peter Griffin]

6 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

He spent 20m on Neal Maupay. Their team is full of quality. Brighton are among the biggest spenders outside of the big 6. 

20m is not enough for the main striker in a PL team. Even we have bought 2 strikers for more than that since they bought Maupay and we paid 22m for Wes at about the same time. 

There will always be stats to be found to try and be either positive or negative about any particular manager. Imo, the reason people like Potter is as I said above; the style of football, the organisation, the team effort. It is these non stat driven qualities that Potter demonstrates which many find very appealing.