Delphinho123 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, picicata said: I know the square root of sweet FA about this guy Me too. I only come on here in the Hope a fellow v’talker tells me he is great and then he signs or how poor he is if he joins Newcastle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2021 I know next to nothing about this guy so can’t comment, always amazes how much some know about people like this… I said a while back well run clubs sound out targets before pulling the trigger. I believe we did it in 2019 around the time of the Leicester hammering. I suspect we either have been or will be doing the same now. With 4 loses on the spin and other issues I think that is prudent. So do I believe we’ve made some form of contact with Fonseca? Yes more than likely. Clearly though he is a name in the frame at Newcastle a club that leaks more than our defence, Craig Hope certainly gets inside information. It isn’t hard to imagine this is how this has got out, how firm our enquiry has been is debatable and I suspect he has just drawn conclusions on the Villa side as no way is that leaking. My money is on us having made contact very loosely and it has been leaked to try and apply pressure to Newcastle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I'm still scarred from Remi Garde and Di Matteo which is our most recent foreign managers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I know next to nothing about this guy so can’t comment, always amazes how much some know about people like this… I said a while back well run clubs sound out targets before pulling the trigger. I believe we did it in 2019 around the time of the Leicester hammering. I suspect we either have been or will be doing the same now. With 4 loses on the spin and other issues I think that is prudent. So do I believe we’ve made some form of contact with Fonseca? Yes more than likely. Clearly though he is a name in the frame at Newcastle a club that leaks more than our defence, Craig Hope certainly gets inside information. It isn’t hard to imagine this is how this has got out, how firm our enquiry has been is debatable and I suspect he has just drawn conclusions on the Villa side as no way is that leaking. My money is on us having made contact very loosely and it has been leaked to try and apply pressure to Newcastle. It’s sensible to have replacements in mind. It would be a shambles to go weeks with an interim. Newcastle were linked to ‘bigger’ names - but given their situation, it does deter names. Either way, we are a well-oiled machine, compared to previous years and I do not envision a scenario where a shortlist doesn’t already exist as a contingency plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Keyblade said: No you're right, he's elite because win %. Who needs context when a single number can tell you everything you need to know. Hell, let's get Neil Lennon, he's got a 58% career win %. What an hilariously shallow appraisal. Win % is surface level nonsense, I agree. Although as soon as he is appointed we can just sack him and appoint a better manager on less wages. Then sack him and appoint an even better manager. Then sack him... 7 hours ago, Zatman said: No thanks, a footballing conman. Did nothing at Porto and dreadful at Roma especially against the teams around them and just pipped the giants of Sassuolo by goal difference for the conference league spot I was hoping you'd have posted here as I know you follow Italian football. I don't massively and this disappointed me as I'd be quite excited if he was appointed. How did he end up leaving Roma? There's certainly more 'weaker' sides in Italy so you can finish midtable with a chimp in charge - don't get that luxury in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: It’s sensible to have replacements in mind. It would be a shambles to go weeks with an interim. Newcastle were linked to ‘bigger’ names - but given their situation, it does deter names. Either way, we are a well-oiled machine, compared to previous years and I do not envision a scenario where a shortlist doesn’t already exist as a contingency plan. I’d argue that any well run club should at all times have a short list of candidates that would be their starting point in the event they need to make a change. The average appointment in the PL lasts around 2 years so it is only prudent to have a short list of managers for what is still the most important role in a huge business. Doesn’t mean you are in contact with them but if I were a CEO I’d have a list of names to turn to that fitted what my club was looking for, the style, the players etc. I’d argue if you are a CEO/Director of Football and you aren’t doing that you aren’t doing your job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Win % is surface level nonsense, I agree. Although as soon as he is appointed we can just sack him and appoint a better manager on less wages. Then sack him and appoint an even better manager. Then sack him... I was hoping you'd have posted here as I know you follow Italian football. I don't massively and this disappointed me as I'd be quite excited if he was appointed. How did he end up leaving Roma? There's certainly more 'weaker' sides in Italy so you can finish midtable with a chimp in charge - don't get that luxury in the PL. Tbf @Zatman thinks every manager in the world is crap or overrated 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I’d argue that any well run club should at all times have a short list of candidates that would be their starting point in the event they need to make a change. The average appointment in the PL lasts around 2 years so it is only prudent to have a short list of managers for what is still the most important role in a huge business. Doesn’t mean you are in contact with them but if I were a CEO I’d have a list of names to turn to that fitted what my club was looking for, the style, the players etc. I’d argue if you are a CEO/Director of Football and you aren’t doing that you aren’t doing your job. In reality though - it's just a list of names. So purslow may have a password protected document containing:- Howe Lampard Fonseca Gerrard So what ? - it's bit like the mythical "5 year plan" it doesn't actually mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, sne said: Tbf @Zatman thinks every manager in the world is crap or overrated Tbf whoever we appoint someone will post "I'm done with villa if it's xxxxxx" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Tbf whoever we appoint someone will post "I'm done with villa if it's xxxxxx" From the names mentioned, Lampard is the worst suggestion I've seen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, lexicon said: From the names mentioned, Lampard is the worst suggestion I've seen. Terry for me, would be suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, hippo said: In reality though - it's just a list of names. So purslow may have a password protected document containing:- Howe Lampard Fonseca Gerrard So what ? - it's bit like the mythical "5 year plan" it doesn't actually mean much. If you think it is just a list of names, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, lexicon said: From the names mentioned, Lampard is the worst suggestion I've seen. Tbf none of them are great. I think everyone is hoping/thinking that CP/JL have a guru we've not heard about lined up. Given the decisions made in the summer - I wouldn't be to confident. As outside bet - it might be someone who is currently assistant manager somewhere overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, hippo said: Tbf none of them are great. I think everyone is hoping/thinking that CP/JL have a guru we've not heard about lined up. Given the decisions made in the summer - I wouldn't be to confident. As outside bet - it might be someone who is currently assistant manager somewhere overseas. Please tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I don't know who he is what his personality is like what his philosophy is what his beliefs are on training and coaching and what style of football he employs. Sounds sexy though I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: And this link is no doubt his agent applying the squeeze Same as player transfers, the last minute link to someone else to give you the upper hand in negotiations I see the latest rumour for Toon is Unai Emery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted November 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2021 8 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Well I mean, if we change Dean's name to a sexy Portuguese one, will we get better? The simple addition of one letter so his name becomes Deanho would be worth at least 5 extra points per season I imagine. Quite frankly it’s selfish that he hasn’t already done this, and he should be instructed to change it by deed poll during the international break if he makes it through the Southampton game. 8 hours ago, the_eristic said: Any excuse for this 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: So do I believe we’ve made some form of contact with Fonseca? Yes more than likely. I would be very happy if that is true. Not that it would mean that Smith is on thin ice but if we are talking to Fonseca then we are prepared to pay very very high wages for a PL manager. It is a sign that NSWE and CP are looking to go shopping in Fortnam & Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, lexicon said: From the names mentioned, Lampard is the worst suggestion I've seen. I think Lampard and Gerrard are probably neck and neck for that accolade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, sne said: Tbf @Zatman thinks every manager in the world is crap or overrated Is a few elite on my list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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