a m ole Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think Potter maybe suffers a little bit from the Wenger thing of really fancying slight, technical attacking midfielders, and then when it works it looks great, but if it doesn't it's all nice touches near the centre circle and no penetration. Yesterday they started with Gross, Moder, Lallana and Trossard, who seem to me to be 4 versions of basically the same player. They also brought on Mac Allister, another similar one to that type. I don't really understand the deal with Maupay. If he's good enough, why doesn't he get more game time, when he clearly offers something different? And if he isn't good enough, rather than trying to play with two false nines, wouldn't they be better off with a forward who they do actually rate? Don’t forget Solly March 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 They came for a draw and almost got it, had they gone for the win a bit more it would have been a much more open game more than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: I think Potter maybe suffers a little bit from the Wenger thing of really fancying slight, technical attacking midfielders, and then when it works it looks great, but if it doesn't it's all nice touches near the centre circle and no penetration. Yesterday they started with Gross, Moder, Lallana and Trossard, who seem to me to be 4 versions of basically the same player. They also brought on Mac Allister, another similar one to that type. I don't really understand the deal with Maupay. If he's good enough, why doesn't he get more game time, when he clearly offers something different? And if he isn't good enough, rather than trying to play with two false nines, wouldn't they be better off with a forward who they do actually rate? It also doesn't really work when everyone of them (apart from Trossard) are like 6.5/10 PL players. They would probably crush the Championship like this though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: It also doesn't really work when everyone of them (apart from Trossard) are like 6.5/10 PL players. They would probably crush the Championship like this though. Agree, though I actually thought Moder was the pick of their creators yesterday. Haven't seen masses of him though so don't know how good he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, lexicon said: Anyone else glad we didn't go for Potter now? I wanted us to go for him but yesterday was pretty boring. They were excellent at times in terms of organisation, discipline and the ability to win the ball back - but there was very little creativity or magic in that side. Here's a question. If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? Edited November 22, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Here's a question. If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? Potter isnt a budget manager. He has resources as well. Lallana is probably paid more than any of our players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just now, Zatman said: Potter isnt a budget manager. He has resources as well. Lallana is probably paid more than any of our players He's on £90k a week (Ings is on £120k) but I agree, people make out as if Potter is at Burnley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Here's a question. If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team He isn't and they will come about 16th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted November 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: He isn't and they will come about 16th. If that’s the case he needs to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post weedman Posted November 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, HKP90 said: If that’s the case he needs to move on. The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, weedman said: The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them Watching from high up in the stand right on the halfway line on Saturday, for at least the first 30 minutes Brighton were largely just passing side to side along their flat back five. After that they seemed to switch flanks more quickly and aim for the wingback on the opposite side, which brought them some success. We addressed that at half time to nullify the threat and Brighton reverted to the drab, unimaginative shite they'd adopted at the start of the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, weedman said: The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them Exactly this! It’s acceptable for Brighton but for clubs trying to push on the fans would never tolerate it. Believe it or not we used to have very good possession stats under Garde. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Here's a question. If Potter had our frontline and resources... who do you think wins the last couple of matches we've played against Brighton? It’s a good question. Brighton are very well coached and extremely organised but they don’t create a massive amount of big chances in games were teams are a little more defensive. That’s not because they haven’t got the players, it’s more a case of not really getting too many players in the box. They don’t take too many chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted November 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, weedman said: The reason his bang average team gets 70% possession is because thats their defence, they sacrifice attacking play, forward movement, risky passes and "getting bodies in the box" to make sure there's always a simple pass on. It's considered "good football" because people conflate passing with good football and there's this assumption that 70% possesion must mean they're just a slice of luck away from being Man City. It's boring, negative football that you can pretty much get away with only if you stack your forward line with the best players in world football and let them do their thing aka Pep-ball but just doesn't work otherwise, a good striker won't change virtually anything for them That may be true so far this year. Last year they had huge xG so they were getting in good attacking areas. They are admitedly down this year, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that defensive football is characteristic of Potters sides in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: It will be interesting to see Brighton next season if they do buy a decent striker. There is no doubt they play a nice brand of football and are quite good at it. If Potter is as good as some think he could be then a good strike force should make them a really tidy PL team They bought Maupay for 20m and are probably paying Danny Welbeck 60k/week, it's not like they're still rocking Glenn Murray up front or their version of Keinan Davis. If they're not good enough then that's on Brighton and Potter for signing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, sne said: So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat. There were about 10 places and 7 points between us in the table. It's not some grand giant killing, but "should" beat them is a bit of a stretch based on the first 11 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Keyblade said: They bought Maupay for 20m and are probably paying Danny Welbeck 60k/week, it's not like they're still rocking Glenn Murray up front or their version of Keinan Davis. If they're not good enough then that's on Brighton and Potter for signing them. The money is not the point though, we paid 22m for Wes and he has scored, I think, 5 goals for us. If they don't have the quality playing up front they are not going to score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, sne said: So are Brighton bigged up a lot in English media or why are we making out as if it was a big thing us beating them at home? It's Brighton, it's a team we should beat. Maybe it is because we are not in the habit of taking 3 points from teams we are expected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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