Mark Albrighton Posted September 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) Shits about to get real with all this isn't it. I am sure there will be help for those with next to f all, there simply has to be, and I think there will be some help for your average Joe but I have a feeling the Tories won't freeze bills at their current average (£1900), as opposition parties and the sector themselves are calling for, and people are going to be left trying to find a couple of thousand this winter and twice that come April. It is not just domestic bills where this is going to be felt though is it. Hospitality sector is going to be destroyed. Your local boozer is either going to have to increase the price of a pint by two or three fold or shut so expect plenty to close over the coming months. Then you look at your local shops already barely making ends meet they will simply go under. Add in the care sector, schools etc. It is going to be carnage unless this government act now with really radical policies and tens of billions to back them up. I won't be holding my breath. Edited September 4, 2022 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2022 Tomorrow I think the prize should be a week’s pass to jump the queue at your nearest food bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 It’s starting to be reported that her plan for the Energy crisis is to freeze bills. Not sure what level, or how it will be funded yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 57 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s starting to be reported that her plan for the Energy crisis is to freeze bills. Not sure what level, or how it will be funded yet. She only wants to get in, after that whatever she says will be worth as much as when she said we'd build 250k social houses and ended up with 0. It's doesn't matter though, no one will notice. AS LONG AS SHE GETS POWER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2022 Just now, lapal_fan said: fter that whatever she says will be worth as much as when she said we'd build 250k social houses and ended up with 0. Has she managed to find the exact number yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: She only wants to get in, after that whatever she says will be worth as much as when she said we'd build 250k social houses and ended up with 0. It's doesn't matter though, no one will notice. AS LONG AS SHE GETS POWER. She can’t hide anymore, unlike in her previous roles. It will make for fascinating viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: It’s starting to be reported that her plan for the Energy crisis is to freeze bills. Not sure what level, or how it will be funded yet. This would be great. I’d want a way out of the fix we booked into at 40% above the current cap though if so, if that’s not possible then people will be punished for trying to avoid the coming price hikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, chappy said: This would be great. I’d want a way out of the fix we booked into at 40% above the current cap though if so, if that’s not possible then people will be punished for trying to avoid the coming price hikes. I did wonder this a little while ago, will people who took the plunge and fixed be able to access the new cap price? Or will they be punished for being proactive? Ideally this government will state that nobody pays over x amount, regardless of contract… but then, it’s this government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) They need a massive and fundamental long term plan to switch from fossil fuels. Heat pumps, wind farms, battery farms, huge roll out of EV on and off street charging points, sustained and significant investment in public transport. However none of that will happen. Might get a sticking plaster for now. This is the tory party which is incapable of long term strategic thinking. We now have no UK industrial strategy. The planning reform bill is a mess and nowhere near enough social housing is being built. HS2 was hacked to pieces. Huge shortage of skilled labour. They put politics over wealth creation, division over unity. That is why we left the common market as it is a self inflicted gunshot to ourselves. India has now overtaken the UK as the world's 5th largest economy and the tories haven't finished yet unless they finally get thrown out. Edited September 5, 2022 by The Fun Factory 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2022 Not a perfect analogy but this is a good thread for those trying to get their heads around the issue of gas supply and cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, choffer said: Not a perfect analogy but this is a good thread for those trying to get their heads around the issue of gas supply and cost. I haven’t read the replies, but he’s only half right. There are two different forms of pricing electricity. The method he talks about and also a method (newer ) where the contract between government and energy generator is essentially “cost plus” - basically the cost of generating it ( e.g. wind , or solar) plus a bit of profit. It needs all the contracts to be migrated to that model. It doesn’t help gas prices directly, or electricity generated from gas, but it will further speed up transition away from gas, reduce demand for gas and lead, you’d assume to reduced gas prices too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2022 The answer is much more nuclear, but it's an answer nobody likes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 All new houses should already be fitted with solar panels, they dropped the ball on that years ago. Getting rid of gas boilers in new homes also needs to be brought forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, blandy said: I haven’t read the replies, but he’s only half right. There are two different forms of pricing electricity. The method he talks about and also a method (newer ) where the contract between government and energy generator is essentially “cost plus” - basically the cost of generating it ( e.g. wind , or solar) plus a bit of profit. It needs all the contracts to be migrated to that model. It doesn’t help gas prices directly, or electricity generated from gas, but it will further speed up transition away from gas, reduce demand for gas and lead, you’d assume to reduced gas prices too. Surely supply and demand shouldn't be a thing. Baked beans 25p selling like hot cakes, so they go up to 90p. Wrong in every way, blatant profiteering and no need!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Genie said: It’s starting to be reported that her plan for the Energy crisis is to freeze bills. Not sure what level, or how it will be funded yet. Just shake the magic money tree again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Surely supply and demand shouldn't be a thing. Baked beans 25p selling like hot cakes, so they go up to 90p. Wrong in every way, blatant profiteering and no need!! Well yes I completely agree when it’s heating, but how do auctions work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 What's all the fuss about? Just put some foil beind the radiators and job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Genie said: I did wonder this a little while ago, will people who took the plunge and fixed be able to access the new cap price? Or will they be punished for being proactive? Ideally this government will state that nobody pays over x amount, regardless of contract… but then, it’s this government. I went with the British Gas fix in June/Jul. While there were exit fees for a different supplier it is possible to move to another British gas tariff without charge. So I'm presuming you can change to the standard variable. Although I didn't look further into it. So hopefully if it turns out to not be a good move on the fix I can move back to variable and the only damage will be the 3 months paying the currently higher than variable fix. Who knows whether it will go like that, if that ends up being the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Is it ok to mention insulation and energy efficiency yet? Or are we still sulking about that day the M25 was rubbish and it made all the polar bears extinct? Imagine the cost of sufficient nuclear energy, but spent on needing less energy… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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