sidcow Posted August 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I know its not ideal and it shouldnt be the case, but if it meant people were limited to only using x amount of gas/electricity a day or at certain points of the day they get a major discount then couldnt this be a option instead of people getting stupid increasses that no one can afford There is talk about a new tariff being introduced with much cheaper electricity for everyone using it off peak. These are quote common for people with electric cars and the like but they are taking about bringing it out for everyone automatically. if they can even up the load it makes things easier for the utility companies to deal with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: How do you determine what X is for each household? I guess the eneergy companies would look at yoir bills see your usage on days/hours and see if your more of a peak or off peak user. Similar to how mobile phone companies do with your data. Ehen you choose a tariff they usually see how many minutes/ data you use up. They may come up witha scheme like that but difference being your gas and electric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: There is talk about a new tariff being introduced with much cheaper electricity for everyone using it off peak. These are quote common for people with electric cars and the like but they are taking about bringing it out for everyone automatically. if they can even up the load it makes things easier for the utility companies to deal with. Yes this would be good for the current situation we are in along with some more help from the government (i wont hold my breath for that) But if it meant people being affordable plans then its definitely a option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 The trial with Octopus asked people to reduce consumption duyring 9am-11am and 16:30-18:30. The average customer reduced their bill by under 50 pence per day. It's deckchairs on the titanic stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The trial with Octopus asked people to reduce consumption duyring 9am-11am and 16:30-18:30. The average customer reduced their bill by under 50 pence per day. It's deckchairs on the titanic stuff. That saves you like £15.50 a month. Not really great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 It would be easier if we had a functioning government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just now, Demitri_C said: That saves you like £15.50 a month. Not really great Funny thing is, a year ago, that'd have been a quarter of my bill. I'm scared to look at what it would be in a year's time. 3-4% maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I guess the eneergy companies would look at yoir bills see your usage on days/hours and see if your more of a peak or off peak user. Similar to how mobile phone companies do with your data. Ehen you choose a tariff they usually see how many minutes/ data you use up. They may come up witha scheme like that but difference being your gas and electric How does that equate to the bedridden cancer victim who needs the heating on all day? It would also disproportionately affect those working from home etc EDIT: Also those that were generally wasteful in normal existence would get a greater benefit than those that were frugal in their consumption anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, bickster said: How does that equate to the bedridden cancer victim who needs the heating on all day? It would also disproportionately affect those working from home etc EDIT: Also those that were generally wasteful in normal existence would get a greater benefit than those that were frugal in their consumption anyway. Cant answer each case by case scenario there is many different kind of scenarios. Thats for the energy companies to decide how they would manage that kind of scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 23, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Cant answer each case by case scenario there is many different kind of scenarios. Thats for the energy companies to decide how they would manage that kind of scenario No Dem, thats for the government to fix, not the energy companies. The energy companies cannot do anything without Government intervention, it is impossible for them to fix. The Government needs to lead on this, all the energy companies can do is what they are told to do by government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: It would be easier if we had a functioning government. All these crazy ideas! Next you'll be asking for clean drinking water. Edited August 23, 2022 by ender4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Octopus have offered various peak/off peak and even change by the hour tariffs for several years, IF you have a smart meter that can report back every 30 mins, its nothing new or groundbreaking (I used to be on a tariff that went into the minus when there was excess energy on the grid, excessive winds/storms usually the cause). The big 5/6 energy companies haven't really led the way on "smart" tariffs, instead happy to continue ripping off Joe Public for years. Problem now is that there really isn't a off-peak period, its peak 24/7 due to the rates hitting the cap. Greg Jackson the CEO of Octopus keeps saying the wholesale energy market needs rebuilding from the ground up as its not fit for purpose. THAT does need a functioning government to sort. I don't see this current bunch of Donkeys doing anything about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 It's almost as though that pure free market dynamics are not suitable for utility services. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: It's almost as though that pure free market dynamics are not suitable for utility services. Isn't that why we have regulators? Why aren't the regulators using their powers to force the utility companies to meet certain criteria? Have they been bought by the billions flowing through utility companies? Who regulates the regulators? A bit like VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 So i was on holiday for a week. Whilst i was away i used just over 4kw per day in electricity. Is that normal? On a normal day when i'm in the house, i use 15-21 kw of electricity per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, ender4 said: So i was on holiday for a week. Whilst i was away i used just over 4kw per day in electricity. Is that normal? On a normal day when i'm in the house, i use 15-21 kw of electricity per day. A quick look online seems to suggest fridges use between 1.4kwh and 4kwh per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted August 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 24, 2022 12 hours ago, ender4 said: So i was on holiday for a week. Whilst i was away i used just over 4kw per day in electricity. Is that normal? On a normal day when i'm in the house, i use 15-21 kw of electricity per day. Seems a little high. But the 15-21 kWh of electricity per day seems huge - what's that used on? Is your hot water and cooking (including hob) electric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 15 hours ago, ender4 said: Isn't that why we have regulators? Why aren't the regulators using their powers to force the utility companies to meet certain criteria? Have they been bought by the billions flowing through utility companies? Who regulates the regulators? A bit like VAR. They’re terrified of having another situation where a bunch of these companies go out of business which would lead to them actually having to do work to help those customers, so they’ve decided the best thing they can do is let the energy companies rip off every UK household. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, one_ian_taylor said: Seems a little high. But the 15-21 kWh of electricity per day seems huge - what's that used on? Is your hot water and cooking (including hob) electric? Gas heating, gas hot water, gas cooking. But i do work from home and there are 2 adults & 2 kids so maybe that makes a difference? 1 load of washing, 1 load of tumble dryer, 1 load of dishwasher per day. Multiple kettles boiled for coffee, 5 tablets/laptops charging, 3 mobile phones, at least 1 TV on most of the day, lots of use of air-fryer, microwave, hairdryers, etc. Edited August 24, 2022 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Have had my standard British Gas letter today saying my payments are spot on, just before the cap price rise on Thursday when no doubt I will have to lube up and bend over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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