KangarooVillan Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: It will potentially set them back a bit but in the scheme of things it won't impact Man Utd. A year in the Championship to get their management team in place, get a Dir of Football and improve facilities could be of benefit to them. They would come up stronger and be a more appealing club to new players Potentially, I don’t disagree on the basis that all of this is pure conjecture, but the FFP implications and then having to attract quality post-relegation does set them back years. They don’t have the recruitment of a Brentford/Southampton and they don’t have the academy prodigy that we had (and all the benefits that have come with that, both playing and FFP). Newcastle probably lose St Maxamin if they’re relegated and then they are literally rebuilding from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, KangarooVillan said: Potentially, I don’t disagree on the basis that all of this is pure conjecture, but the FFP implications and then having to attract quality post-relegation does set them back years. They don’t have the recruitment of a Brentford/Southampton and they don’t have the academy prodigy that we had (and all the benefits that have come with that, both playing and FFP). Newcastle probably lose St Maxamin if they’re relegated and then they are literally rebuilding from scratch. I agree that the FFP and spending will hurt them and set them back. But the impact of that will be felt by the teams in the lower half of the PL table. It won't bother Man Utd. At some stage in the future Toon will be competitive at the top end of the table and it is just something Man u will have to live with. But those days will be quite a few years in the future imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2022 why is anyone talking about FFP like it's actually a thing? city have been breaking the rules for years with zero consequence, newcastle will do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Stu Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Jas10 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I think I’d rather we spent big on a centre back if possible this January - I wonder if they are looking for players with prem experience as that shortens the list massively. France is the obvious place to look with their frankly ridiculous current crop of outstanding centre backs… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The reason I think we'll do another deal in this window (probably going all out for Bissouma) is based on Purslows comments the other day about them treating the January window in the exact same fashion as the Summer window. A lot of clubs clearly don't, but we have our targets and we'll go after them regardless of whether it's the Summer or January. Brighton will sell this window, it's just whether we can match the fee and whether he wants to come to Villa. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, villan-scott said: You’re mistaken. Some of the Athletic reporters are excellent and have the inside track. Unfortunately for us we have that pleb Gregg Evans reporting for us. Evans and that City reporter who threw tantrums in the summer are definitely competition winners 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, tomav84 said: why is anyone talking about FFP like it's actually a thing? city have been breaking the rules for years with zero consequence, newcastle will do the same European FFP is more severe though. Milan teams were given a European ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, MotoMkali said: I'd take Saint Maximan Over Coutinho and Bailey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, tomav84 said: why is anyone talking about FFP like it's actually a thing? city have been breaking the rules for years with zero consequence, newcastle will do the same The rules have been changed since City signed their stadium, it can no longer happen. FFP is definitely a thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, KangarooVillan said: Potentially, I don’t disagree on the basis that all of this is pure conjecture, but the FFP implications and then having to attract quality post-relegation does set them back years. They don’t have the recruitment of a Brentford/Southampton and they don’t have the academy prodigy that we had (and all the benefits that have come with that, both playing and FFP). Newcastle probably lose St Maxamin if they’re relegated and then they are literally rebuilding from scratch. Plus as we know - they will have to recruit a team to get them promoted, then recruit another team to keep them up and then it depends on whether they just stay up or stay comfortably clear as to whether they can then attract top player or not. Our owners bought knowing that they were buying a team in the Championship. It will be interesting, if Newcastle do get relegated, whether the Saudis are really in it for the long term, whether they get bored or whether they start sniffing around elsewhere. Personally I think that Newcastle would need to get promoted first season or the owners start getting itchy feet. Just feel they are more interested in instant gratification than having to wait another 5 seasons before they can even hope to start competing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, villan-scott said: You’re mistaken. Some of the Athletic reporters are excellent and have the inside track. Unfortunately for us we have that pleb Gregg Evans reporting for us. They have some excellent main article writers and central pieces, especially when they do bigger sweeping state of football style reporting They're then shite when they have local reporters on smaller desks scrambling for content and resorting to gossip and transfer bullshit So in other words they're the same as everyone else... After marketing themselves on being different and not resorting to the gossip Where is evans' monthly in depth tactical analysis of villa or even just some kind of article providing an insight that you sit there and think it's taken him a month to put it all together? Doesn't exist and that for me is disappointing what the athletic said they would do compared to what Evans is doing deserves ridicule 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, thabucks said: I think I’d rather we spent big on a centre back if possible this January - I wonder if they are looking for players with prem experience as that shortens the list massively. France is the obvious place to look with their frankly ridiculous current crop of outstanding centre backs… DCM for me is the priority over a CB but I would like to see a big spend on a CB in the summer, unless we make 2 big signings this month 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, allani said: Plus as we know - they will have to recruit a team to get them promoted, then recruit another team to keep them up and then it depends on whether they just stay up or stay comfortably clear as to whether they can then attract top player or not. Our owners bought knowing that they were buying a team in the Championship. It will be interesting, if Newcastle do get relegated, whether the Saudis are really in it for the long term, whether they get bored or whether they start sniffing around elsewhere. Personally I think that Newcastle would need to get promoted first season or the owners start getting itchy feet. Just feel they are more interested in instant gratification than having to wait another 5 seasons before they can even hope to start competing. I'd love to see them relegated and sell the club back to Ashley at a massive loss and just give up on the idea of getting a PL club and go buy a club elsewhere. There would be a nice meltdown on Tyneside 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, Zatman said: European FFP is more severe though. Milan teams were given a European ban Yeah they can't register new players if they're outside of the budget for the year in La Liga. That FFP with teeth. In Prem / CL you just break the rules and pay for lawyers instead. The mooted salary cap is the next evolution of FFP which means nobody new can join the party ever. The cap on salary will be 70% of revenue, so you can't grow revenue by doing what we're doing. It's just even more closed shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wes said: Julian Alvarez looks like he's going to Manchester City. Or rather signed by them then loaned either back to River or somewhere to one of the City Group clubs. I think we're going to rue the day we didn't go for him in the summer, as I had hoped back in June. Oh my. Well we **** that. Wonder if it was Purslow saying no I prefer Ings? Hope he butts out of all recruitment matters other than signing the cheque. Looks likes it's about £17m. Ouch. Edited January 21, 2022 by Tomaszk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Oh my. Well we **** that. Wonder if it was Purslow saying no I prefer Ings? Hope he butts out of all recruitment matters other than signing the cheque. Wonder if it was the player saying no? Nice presumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, a-k said: Wonder if it was the player saying no? Nice presumptions Wonder all you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted January 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Yeah they can't register new players if they're outside of the budget for the year in La Liga. That FFP with teeth. In Prem / CL you just break the rules and pay for lawyers instead. The mooted salary cap is the next evolution of FFP which means nobody new can join the party ever. The cap on salary will be 70% of revenue, so you can't grow revenue by doing what we're doing. It's just even more closed shop. Another reason why we are probably doing what we are doing now, or at least I very much hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, allani said: Over Coutinho and Bailey? Over trezeguet or Traore yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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