Popular Post CVByrne Posted January 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Awol said: On your Bayern point, his 19/20 season stats were phenomenal: He was great with Bayern. They paid all his wages and an 8.5m loan fee. Option to buy was €120m and that's why he wasn't signed permanently. He started well and was playing in every game for Barca the next season then got injured and missed the rest of the season. They've had their full on financial meltdown since and are desperate to get him off the books. It was only 16 months ago he was lifting the Champions League with Bayern. He'd be an amazing signing for us even on Loan. Just boosts the club image in many ways too. Edited January 5, 2022 by CVByrne 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted January 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 minute ago, CVByrne said: He was great with Bayern. They paid all his wages and an 8.5m loan fee. Option to buy was €120m and that's why he wasn't signed permanently. He started well and was playing in every game for Barca the next season then got injured and missed the rest of the season. They've had their full on financial meltdown since and are desperate to get him off the books I find people turning their noses up utterly astonishing. If he joins us it’ll be borderline miraculous and change the whole profile of the club. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: Highly doubt it, it’ll be no where near 100% From what I understand about the wage rules in Spain I'd be shocked if it was less than 100%. Athletic did a good article on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Nigel said: From what I understand about the wage rules in Spain I'd be shocked if it was less than 100%. Athletic did a good article on it Saw a tweet saying as his wage is over 5% of their spending cap* they can reinvest 50%, otherwise they'd be able to reinvest 25%. Presumably the 25% is the case for Umtiti and I'd be surprised if anyone would pay much more than £100k of his wages, so we'd be left needing to make up (Torres wage - £25k) x2. Transfer fees can't be in the same calculation as it would leave Barca needing to save an extra £1.5m-£3m a week to cover Torres. *As @sne pointed out the cap is 70% of revenue and presumably restrictions apply until the club hits it. Edited January 5, 2022 by Sam-AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: Saw a tweet saying as his wage is over 5% of their spending cap* they can reinvest 50%, otherwise they'd be able to reinvest 25%. Presumably the 25% is the case for Umtiti and I'd be surprised if anyone would pay much more than £100k of his wages, so we'd be left needing to make up (Torres wage - £25k) x2. I'm under the impression its because he's their top earner rather than a percentage of the total spend. The only difference is that I think they can only do this with him (although I'm no expert and will bow to anyone who knows more), and they will want to take full advantage. Laporta seems to know what he's doing tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 We are 7/2 joint 2nd favourites with Everton, with Coral to sign Aaron Ramsey. Newcastle are 6/4 fav, although they are also favourites to sign Dele Alli (3/1) and joint favourites to sign both Matial (11/8) & Lingard (9/4), so they clearly haven't got a clue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nigel said: I'm under the impression its because he's their top earner rather than a percentage of the total spend. The only difference is that I think they can only do this with him (although I'm no expert and will bow to anyone who knows more), and they will want to take full advantage. Laporta seems to know what he's doing tbf I'm basing it on a few tweets, so am unwilling to vouch for the veracity of my information! I do remember talk of the 50% in the summer though as it was being pointed out how much more flexible Barca would have been if they'd sold Messi in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, Awol said: I find people turning their noses up utterly astonishing. If he joins us it’ll be borderline miraculous and change the whole profile of the club. He would be THE BIGGEST meltdown signing of all time.... The guy was the 3rd most expensive transfer of all time... But still not good enough for some Villa fans. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Coutinho on loan makes a lot of sense - it gives Barca a chance to get some of his wages off their fetid balance sheet and put him in the shop window and it gives us a natural second number ten to play next to Buendia and the chance to have a look at him and see if he's still got the ability and desire to play in this league. A front three of: ----------------------------Watkins/Ings------------------------------ -------------Coutinho------------------Buendia-------------------- Would be capable of beautiful things. But do u not miss the days of ---------------------Wes/Davis--------------------------- ----------El Ghazi-------------------Trezeguet-------- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Bruno Guimares plx to play DMC then Dougie can sign a new contract knowing he has Brazilian friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, KMitch said: He would be THE BIGGEST meltdown signing of all time.... The guy was the 3rd most expensive transfer of all time... But still not good enough for some Villa fans. Not sure if its not good enough, more is there priorities in other positions first with me. No point in having a Ferrari if you can only drive it on cheap petrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Not sure if its not good enough, more is there priorities in other positions first with me. No point in having a Ferrari if you can only drive it on cheap petrol Our xG is 16th in the Premier League, but our xGA is 11th... We've struggled to create quality chances all season, but especially since Gerrard came on. You could argue he's exactly what we need... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: Coutinho isn't the problem, it's the opportunity cost. Say we spend £10m on him for the next few months. We could have split that into an extra £10k/week over 5 years and £2.5m extra sign on bonus each for 2 players. With some of the players available on a free in 6 months this could be well worthwhile. PC would cost a significant amount less than 10m, it would be a loan signing not a permanent transfer. I don't get your opportunity cost example, you are omitting any wages for these two players. Are u suggesting we would be signing 2 players anyway and the opportunity is to sign 2 players on higher wages with higher sign on bonuses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Apart from Rashica Did he not say Dean Smith wanted Rashica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Phil Silvers said: In Coutihno Hickey Zakaria Gomez Out Davis Trez AEG Axel Wouldn't exactly be a bad window all told. Villa fans would still moan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: But do u not miss the days of ---------------------Wes/Davis--------------------------- ----------El Ghazi-------------------Trezeguet-------- Seems a few on here do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Villa fans would still moan We already are.... We really are a miserable lot, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Villa fans would still moan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) It's happening Edited January 5, 2022 by supermon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Are u suggesting we would be signing 2 players anyway and the opportunity is to sign 2 players on higher wages with higher sign on bonuses? No. I'm saying as we're tight with FFP it could give us valuable wiggle room to outbid on some frees for the summer. I could have also said we can bid £10m more for a player, but I used the frees as an example because it's likely to be the most effective use of limited money for long-term signings as opposed to a 6 month loan. If we qualify for Europe the Coutinho signing would be vindicated, otherwise it would be a bit pointless albeit fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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