Popular Post Anything11 Posted June 12 Popular Post Share Posted June 12 13 hours ago, villa4europe said: if we sold luiz to arsenal for £60m would we then go and buy mckennie with the money? would we **** Possibly. Have been linked before. You think a man like Unai who is so football obsessed and detail orientated would accept a player he did not want? Or didn't think would be good for the team? Show some respect. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, Anything11 said: Possibly. Have been linked before. You think a man like Unai who is so football obsessed and detail orientated would accept a player he did not want? Or didn't think would be good for the team? Show some respect. I don’t agree with this narrative at all. We have to sell Dougie we have no choice. McKennie happens to be part of that process. It’s somewhat take it or leave it, it isn’t really Don Unai working his magic is it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 USA played Brazil in a friendly overnight. McKennie played the 90, Luiz came on as a sub. 1-1 draw. Mixed reviews for McKennie on Twitter, apparently improved second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 20 hours ago, villa4europe said: his biggest problem is that we're only getting him because Juve don't have £60m to buy Luiz he's a compromise to tick a box This is the problem for you and Villa fans who think this way. It's just completely false narrative that we are being forced to take players we don't want from Juve. Are we being Forced to take Gallagher or Chelsea being forced to take Duran if they move this window too? The deal for Dougie and McKennie isn't one that popped up, it's clear the two clubs have been tracking both players. We've been tracking McKennie for years. Illing Junior and McKennie are players on our clubs list for positions we want to fill. Monchi has 3 or 4 per position as he has said before in his series of talks on his process. Without doubt those players are in our lists. So when it comes to doing the deal, we are saving ourselves negotiating with 2 others clubs to get two other players if we wanted just cash from Juve. I think this moving early in window is savvy from us. If we have landed in 4 players by end of June we're on the way to getting a good preseason with them. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MSvillain Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 As with most players there is currently a Pre-Emery McKennie and in an undetermined amount of time there will be a Post-Emery McKennie, let’s wait and see what that looks like 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlobalVillan Posted June 13 Popular Post Share Posted June 13 If you cross McKennie with SJM and Jhon Duran you get "Weston Super Knightmare". 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted June 13 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13 Interesting that Villa are purportedly having to settle for getting less than their valuation of Luiz and take players they don't want in exchange when the media had been flogging stories about how Arsenal and Liverpool both want him. Both of those clubs could surely afford to pay straight cash, and if both are truly interested we wouldn't have to let him go on a cutrate deal. It seems that either: 1. The Arsenal and Liverpool interest is all a media fabrication to get clicks; 2. Emery really does rate McKennie and Iling; or 3. Though not the ideal solution, Emery and Monchi rate McKennie and Iling enough that getting them and a little cash is seen as better for Villa than getting full value in cash but helping the Gunners and Scousers strengthen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 48 minutes ago, CVByrne said: This is the problem for you and Villa fans who think this way. It's just completely false narrative that we are being forced to take players we don't want from Juve. Are we being Forced to take Gallagher or Chelsea being forced to take Duran if they move this window too? The deal for Dougie and McKennie isn't one that popped up, it's clear the two clubs have been tracking both players. We've been tracking McKennie for years. Illing Junior and McKennie are players on our clubs list for positions we want to fill. Monchi has 3 or 4 per position as he has said before in his series of talks on his process. Without doubt those players are in our lists. So when it comes to doing the deal, we are saving ourselves negotiating with 2 others clubs to get two other players if we wanted just cash from Juve. I think this moving early in window is savvy from us. If we have landed in 4 players by end of June we're on the way to getting a good preseason with them. We're being giving lemons and making lemonade If we didn't have a PSR problem we wouldnt be selling luiz If juve had £60m we wouldn't be getting those 2 players 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: We're being giving lemons and making lemonade If we didn't have a PSR problem we wouldnt be selling luiz If juve had £60m we wouldn't be getting those 2 players I’m not entirely sure your claims are accurate there. If Luiz has refused to sign a new contract then I absolutely think we would sell him rather than let his contract run down. In addition, the two players we have asked for are both players we have been linked with in previous windows. I think the PSR problem has influenced the timing and potentially the value but I am not sure it has actually been the reason for why Luiz is being sold with 2 years left on his contract, or the reason why we are bringing in the linked Juventus players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 13 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: We're being giving lemons and making lemonade If we didn't have a PSR problem we wouldnt be selling luiz If juve had £60m we wouldn't be getting those 2 players you have no idea what we'd do with that money. we've been linked with both of these players before. it very much comes across that the issue you and others have with the deal is that these players are coming as part of the deal giving the impression that juve are giving us their dead wood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvilla28 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Not sure where people a getting we're being forced to take players we don't want that'sjust people's narratives. Both players have been linked to us. Edited June 13 by ozvilla28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 21 hours ago, villa4europe said: he has to be part of the conversation because Juve don't have £60m Juve have other players though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Scored a 7.0 on Sofascore vs Brazil last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 28 minutes ago, tomav84 said: you have no idea what we'd do with that money. we've been linked with both of these players before. it very much comes across that the issue you and others have with the deal is that these players are coming as part of the deal giving the impression that juve are giving us their dead wood I wish people would direct their frustrations at the BS rules, not this deal. We have one of the best negotiators in Monchi working directly with Unai on who he wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, MSvillain said: As with most players there is currently a Pre-Emery McKennie and in an undetermined amount of time there will be a Post-Emery McKennie, let’s wait and see what that looks like Pre Emery McKennie has just had his best ever season in a league which doesn't play to his strengths. So get him to a League his work rate and fitness levels values highly and get him into a system under an elite coach who wants him. Has plans for him gives him the detail. He'll improve again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 IF this is happening then Unai has seen a role in his team that McKennie can perform and that is where he will play. I give it 3 games before everyone raves about him, because Unai always plays to his players strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, il_serpente said: Interesting that Villa are purportedly having to settle for getting less than their valuation of Luiz and take players they don't want in exchange when the media had been flogging stories about how Arsenal and Liverpool both want him. Both of those clubs could surely afford to pay straight cash, and if both are truly interested we wouldn't have to let him go on a cutrate deal. It seems that either: 1. The Arsenal and Liverpool interest is all a media fabrication to get clicks; 2. Emery really does rate McKennie and Iling; or 3. Though not the ideal solution, Emery and Monchi rate McKennie and Iling enough that getting them and a little cash is seen as better for Villa than getting full value in cash but helping the Gunners and Scousers strengthen. What does straight cash do for us? What benefit does it give us on the football pitch? We are getting a cash value for Luiz and then buying two players with it. Two players we want from Juve. Some ignorant Villa fans who love to complain are saying we are being forced to take players we don't want. It's such a laughable idea. Your point 2. in your post is the one most accurate. Emery wants these two players if the price is right for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 7 hours ago, Anything11 said: Possibly. Have been linked before. You think a man like Unai who is so football obsessed and detail orientated would accept a player he did not want? Or didn't think would be good for the team? Show some respect. Some fans really don’t know how lucky we are tbh. Good to see more sensible stuff like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted June 13 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, il_serpente said: Interesting that Villa are purportedly having to settle for getting less than their valuation of Luiz and take players they don't want in exchange when the media had been flogging stories about how Arsenal and Liverpool both want him. Both of those clubs could surely afford to pay straight cash, and if both are truly interested we wouldn't have to let him go on a cutrate deal. It seems that either: 1. The Arsenal and Liverpool interest is all a media fabrication to get clicks; 2. Emery really does rate McKennie and Iling; or 3. Though not the ideal solution, Emery and Monchi rate McKennie and Iling enough that getting them and a little cash is seen as better for Villa than getting full value in cash but helping the Gunners and Scousers strengthen. 3 would be my guess. They are not maybe the top of the list, but they are on a list, and there are elements of convenience and an advantage in moving early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 He was linked to Sevilla when Monchi was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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