SecretVillaScout Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Enda said: Another year in the Championship for Tim, or is he ready for our match day squad? At 19 it seems another year away would be good for him. Maybe first half of the season with us if we have European football. 2nd half of the season on loan when we're knocked out of all the cups But I dont think Tim has stood out as much as lets say Philogene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Tim would be asked to play one of the double pivot positions so I don't really think it makes sense to put him there given the high amount of pressure applied to those double pivot positions in Unai's system. I think another loan is going to have to be on the cards as a regular starter next year unless he's needed for cups if we make Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 He could and should have a squad place next year. We need 4 players for those two positions over a season. Especially with cups / Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Tim would be asked to play one of the double pivot positions so I don't really think it makes sense to put him there given the high amount of pressure applied to those double pivot positions in Unai's system. I think another loan is going to have to be on the cards as a regular starter next year unless he's needed for cups if we make Europe. Agreed, you want him the star man for a top Championship side next season so he's in the right place for us the season after and can take the squad place of Dendoncker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 We need a bigger squad for Europe, make sure your passport is up to date Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Agreed, you want him the star man for a top Championship side next season so he's in the right place for us the season after and can take the squad place of Dendoncker He could probably take Dendonckers place now, don't think Emery is that keen on Donck as he keeps bringing Chambers on instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, duke313 said: He could probably take Dendonckers place now, don't think Emery is that keen on Donck as he keeps bringing Chambers on instead. Well Chambers came on as a CB and RB in last two games. So not really that he was picked over Dendoncker. Emery nailed it tactically in 2nd half at Chelsea. They had no real chances that half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Sorry I think people are just overrating Tim. I know it’s part of being our academy but he’s an on/off starter for a poor QPR team and expecting him to play against Europe or even bottom prem teams in a crucial double pivot is a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 6, 2023 Author Share Posted April 6, 2023 He's stood out at Championship level this season, was by far our best player at that level until Aaron Ramsey's recent good displays, when Beale was at QPR was probably one of the best midfielders in the Championship, was no surprise to me to see reports of the likes of Dortmund watching him, he was playing better for QPR than for our U21s which takes some doing, even when Critchley came in and QPR's form nose dived he wasn't playing badly, just more of a reserved role, haven't watched them since Ainsworth went there. He's probably the academy player most ready for our first team squad, and can fit into several positions, can play alongside Luiz or Kamara, and can play the roles that McGinn and Ramsey sometimes play as wide midfielders, don't expect him to get lots of goals and assists but he's a very good attacker. If not deemed ready for first team squad next season or we just think it makes more sense for him to get as much game time as possible somewhere else, then I think he will be one of the players that comes into contention for a loan to Vitória, one or two of them going there probably inevitable, and he's one of the few we have that will be deemed good enough, the others probably being Aaron Ramsey, Philogene, and possibly Kesler, not sure what's going to happen with Archer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 6, 2023 Author Share Posted April 6, 2023 He isn't an on off starter for QPR, he plays almost every game for them. He's injured at the moment, missed the last England U20 game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Sorry I think people are just overrating Tim. I know it’s part of being our academy but he’s an on/off starter for a poor QPR team and expecting him to play against Europe or even bottom prem teams in a crucial double pivot is a bit much. He's too good for the Championship. If we don't use him, we'll lose him. He doesn't have to start games yet but its time to bring him into the squad full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Sorry I think people are just overrating Tim. I know it’s part of being our academy but he’s an on/off starter for a poor QPR team and expecting him to play against Europe or even bottom prem teams in a crucial double pivot is a bit much. How would Dendoncker look in that QPR team for example. We also see Nakamba tearing it up for a top Championship side like Luton. People here really overrate how ready our good academy players are for PL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, CVByrne said: How would Dendoncker look in that QPR team for example. We also see Nakamba tearing it up for a top Championship side like Luton. People here really overrate how ready our good academy players are for PL football. Tim is 19 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) Maybe Rangers will want him in loan. He can go up there back together with Beale Edited April 6, 2023 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mazrim said: He's too good for the Championship. If we don't use him, we'll lose him. He doesn't have to start games yet but its time to bring him into the squad full time. If he was too good for championship, he would be bossing it and unplayable. Right now, he’s sometimes good but often not far from a 6/10. He has talent but application throughout the whole season and constantly being the best player on the team would mean he’s too good for championship. Right now he just has talent but so do many other academy players. Like @CVByrne said, Dendocker would tear apart the championship. Nakamba has “transformed” Luton and he wouldn’t come near the double pivot spots. Tim needs continued development, not bit parts as part of the bench. And I don’t think Unai will give him starts, especially if we want to go deep in Europe or cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Maybe Rangers will want him in loan. He can go up there back tomorrow with Beale That would be a backward step in his career though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just now, DJBOB said: If he was too good for championship, he would be bossing it and unplayable. Right now, he’s sometimes good but often not far from a 6/10. He has talent but application throughout the whole season and constantly being the best player on the team would mean he’s too good for championship. Right now he just has talent but so do many other academy players. Like @CVByrne said, Dendocker would tear apart the championship. Nakamba has “transformed” Luton and he wouldn’t come near the double pivot spots. Tim needs continued development, not bit parts as part of the bench. And I don’t think Unai will give him starts, especially if we want to go deep in Europe or cups. Where are you getting this 6/10 thing from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Where are you getting this 6/10 thing from? I haven't watched all of Tim's games at QPR but from the ones I've watched, he hasn't been the best player on the pitch. If you were to go by any of the ratings (whoscored, sofascore) - he's not even amongst the best XI in their ratings. Eye test, stats test - he's not ready for the prem by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Will do the business against Zagreb away next year and the likes. I'd have him in the squad, his ceiling his high, I believe he will develop rapidly to push for minutes in the PL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 1 minute ago, DJBOB said: I haven't watched all of Tim's games at QPR but from the ones I've watched, he hasn't been the best player on the pitch. If you were to go by any of the ratings (whoscored, sofascore) - he's not even amongst the best XI in their ratings. Eye test, stats test - he's not ready for the prem by any means. We'll see. Your eye test differs from mine. I see a class player who though not the finished article yet, has massive potential and will realise it quicker against better opposition and with better players around him. The QPR fans I know rave about him too. Like I said, not ready to start games in the Premier League regularly perhaps, but to take his place in the squad? Yeah, I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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