tomav84 Posted Wednesday at 08:48 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 08:48 1 hour ago, theboyangel said: I don’t think he’s fully fit at the moment but still our best option at RM. If we're assuming he's not fully fit then a 100% philogene is definitely a better option than an 80% Bailey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted Wednesday at 08:51 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:51 I know he's coming back from injury, but he just needs about 3 things to go right in a row for him, he's that kind of player. He probably should have had a few more fouls that he has been given, and that would frustrate anyone. It's strange to say that he's the weak link in the team right now (along with right back), especially after last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted Wednesday at 09:44 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:44 55 minutes ago, tomav84 said: If we're assuming he's not fully fit then a 100% philogene is definitely a better option than an 80% Bailey He needs games to get to 100% though, so we're in this bind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted Wednesday at 11:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:25 3 hours ago, theboyangel said: The posts about him being useless are way over the top… At the moment, he really is useless ...... he really is ! I accept that he is low on confidence and off his game but Villa are a side trying to battle at the top end of every competition they take part in and we can't operate as some sort of therapy centre for struggling players ..... especially when we have others waiting in the wings. He needs to rediscover some sort of form (not that I think he ever had much to shout about) either playing with our development sides or even out on loan in a lower division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted Wednesday at 11:28 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:28 Will be benched v Bournemouth I reckon, McGinn and Ramsey should start with Bailey off the bench, then he can start v Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted Wednesday at 12:02 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:02 Is he genuinely playing with an injury or low on confidence and Unai is trying to play him into form? He was literally Bailey 1.0 not the 2.0 we had last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted Wednesday at 13:56 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 13:56 1 hour ago, Zero7 said: Is he genuinely playing with an injury or low on confidence and Unai is trying to play him into form? He was literally Bailey 1.0 not the 2.0 we had last season it's an assumption many have made on here despite emery saying that the squad is fully fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted Wednesday at 14:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 14:00 3 minutes ago, tomav84 said: it's an assumption many have made on here despite emery saying that the squad is fully fit I doubt he has an injury, he's played in every game since Wolves, it would be negligent to play him if injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted Wednesday at 14:01 Share Posted Wednesday at 14:01 5 hours ago, tomav84 said: If we're assuming he's not fully fit then a 100% philogene is definitely a better option than an 80% Bailey Sure but I don't think Philogene is fully fit either. They are both carrying niggling knocks which effects there ability to beat their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted Wednesday at 14:04 Share Posted Wednesday at 14:04 He's got zero confidence to do anything right now, ball not sticking, not making any runs (he was so static last night) and not even attempting to take a player on. Very concerning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted Wednesday at 14:06 Share Posted Wednesday at 14:06 2 hours ago, Paul33 said: At the moment, he really is useless ...... he really is ! I accept that he is low on confidence and off his game but Villa are a side trying to battle at the top end of every competition they take part in and we can't operate as some sort of therapy centre for struggling players ..... especially when we have others waiting in the wings. He needs to rediscover some sort of form (not that I think he ever had much to shout about) either playing with our development sides or even out on loan in a lower division. FFS !! He was up there for one of our best players last term. A senior pro and you think playing in a development side or loaning him out to a lower division is going to happen. Just stop right there . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgl Posted Wednesday at 15:01 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:01 I think some of the criticism he is getting here (and in the match thread last night) is a bit harsh. Was he his brilliant self last night, no, but he wasn’t useless. A few things in my mind are worth considering (1) All wingers (not just Bailey) are fuelled by confidence, I feel that if one thing comes off, he will be recharged and take people on more, making him look like he is contributing more (2) Despite how long he’s been with us, this year has a bit of a feel of second year syndrome for him. Last year was the first time people from other teams really noticed him. Last year he was one of the best wingers in the league. That means that this year people have taken more time to analyse him, make tactical plans to deal with him or double up on him - he will need to adapt a bit to deal with this. (3) whether he is still carrying something or not, he is just coming back from injury - he will need a few games to play himself into form - at the start of the year, we all gave Ollie that bit of space, we should do the same with Leon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted Wednesday at 15:06 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:06 59 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: FFS !! He was up there for one of our best players last term. A senior pro and you think playing in a development side or loaning him out to a lower division is going to happen. Just stop right there . Last season.. and the 2 seasons prior ? Who is saying play him in a youth team or sell him? Just you. Most are saying drop him to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted Wednesday at 15:07 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:07 I was crying out for him to just take a touch and pass (or shoot or cross), just speed things up as the more he dallied with it, the more likely he was to trip over his own feet, which then dents his confidence even more. Just needs to come on after an hour and get a goal, then he will go back on the right track again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted Wednesday at 15:49 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:49 38 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I was crying out for him to just take a touch and pass (or shoot or cross), just speed things up as the more he dallied with it, the more likely he was to trip over his own feet, which then dents his confidence even more. Just needs to come on after an hour and get a goal, then he will go back on the right track again. Yep, he needs dropping. If he is continually played, at some stage he will assist or score, and then people who are bizarrely ignoring how terrible he has been this season will try and say " told you so " ignoring the multiple times per game he has given it away, made made decisions, fell over, mis controlled it or played a pass in for the opposition to shoot. Last year 100% quality, so far this season 25% the player he was last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted Wednesday at 15:52 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:52 Bailey had a pretty dreadful first 44 minutes last night where absolutely nothing went right for him, he was giving the ball away, slipping over or being outmuscled. He did make a great pass right at the end of the 1st half from which Rogers broke through for a one on one with a great touch past the defender, it was just a shame Rogers finish was a little weak and straight at the keeper. I though Unai would take him off at half time, but maybe the pass through to Rogers bought Leon a little more time. Bailey also had a decent effort that went just wide after half time, but looking at the replays even if it was on target it sould have hit Pau. A good effort all the same. I think he needs to get a goal or an assist or two and he will kick on. I don't think Philogene has done enough to force Unai into selecting him over Bailey just yet, but Bailey will have to watch out in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted Wednesday at 15:52 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:52 1 minute ago, brummybloke said: Yep, he needs dropping. If he is continually played, at some stage he will assist or score, and then people who are bizarrely ignoring how terrible he has been this season will try and say " told you so " ignoring the multiple times per game he has given it away, made made decisions, fell over, mis controlled it or played a pass in for the opposition to shoot. Last year 100% quality, so far this season 25% the player he was last season. I think it’s more that as a confidence player, people think that a goal or an assist could turn things around for him. Also it’s October. We’ve played 8 games in the league. Give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted Wednesday at 15:53 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:53 Just now, brummybloke said: Yep, he needs dropping. If he is continually played, at some stage he will assist or score, and then people who are bizarrely ignoring how terrible he has been this season will try and say " told you so " ignoring the multiple times per game he has given it away, made made decisions, fell over, mis controlled it or played a pass in for the opposition to shoot. Last year 100% quality, so far this season 25% the player he was last season. Last year he was motivated by Diaby (kinda the same as Digne having serious competition in Maatsen). He's just not been at it this season, needs dropping and try and buildup confidence from the bench against tired legs. At least if he comes on as a sub it will limit the amount of times he can give the ball away. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted Wednesday at 15:54 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:54 I've no doubt he'll get back to form sooner or later, he just has to get through this phase, but Philogene is too good to leave out for long and it wouldn't be fair.. There is a sense of fighting with one arm at the moment but we're still beating them up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted Wednesday at 15:58 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:58 3 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I think it’s more that as a confidence player, people think that a goal or an assist could turn things around for him. Also it’s October. We’ve played 8 games in the league. Give him a chance. I have, he has been consistently poor in every game he's played. He needs taking out for a couple games and coming on for last 20 mins. He is fortunate that Billy Jean is suspended for the next game as he may get yet another ( by now ) undeserved start. Going from magic back to tragic is not what anyone wants, but for what ever reason, this season he is back to the 2 previous seasons before lasts form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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