Popular Post Marka Ragnos Posted August 12, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) I just feel like there's not a lot to debate any more when it comes to Leon Bailey. He is a liability for us. He certainly isn't good enough to start. There's not some imaginary grouping of resentful haters unwilling to believe in his talent. I think any reasonable person looking at the quality on our squad right now has to see that he's not doing some of the most critical tasks we need him to do. Are we supposed to be feel bad for noticing that? It's not personal. It's not fair. It doesn't matter what so-and-so said when he was signed, or what so-and-so says now. He's simply not good enough, sadly. I feel really sad about it, too, because I find his personal story poignant and his family really cool, but it's just football, and, well, he's a very wealthy young man who will be just fine in life, materially at least. He's playing MLS or Championship-level football, so it's not like he doesn't have a future. But I don't think Emery will risk starting him again in league play. That would reflect poorly on Emery. Who can honestly say that he hasn't been given lots of chances? How many more times can we afford to keep trying? Edited August 12, 2023 by Marka Ragnos 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Thank god certain people are back to wang on incessantly about a player they don't like. Great contribution to the discussion and forum in general. 'He's shit'. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 His passing was atrocious today. The amount of bad passes and losing the ball. He waa bad. But he usually is away from home. Diaby looked a step above in him in class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted August 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, sidcow said: A lot of butt hurt people looking for a scapegoat. There were worse performances all over the pitch today. I don’t remember Bailey doing *anything* useful in possession or defensively, apart from stretching the play with his runs, but that really isn’t enough. He doesn’t know what he wants to do with the ball when he gets it. There’s no intent, it’s head down, and often technically sloppy. Contrast with Diaby / Luiz / Kamara / Buendia / Ramsey / McGinn who are clearly thinking about what’s happening around them, even if they don’t always get it right. And this is his thread, so obviously he gets singled out in it. Not blaming or scapegoating him for the defeat, but he was poor today and he just isn’t showing any signs of improvement. I think he always was and always will be a highlights reel player. Do I mind having him in the squad? Not necessarily, we all know he has a good goal or a mazy run in his locker. But in games where we need to be defensively solid (eg away at Newcastle) I think he’s a liability, and shouldn’t be starting. I don’t think he *would* have started if Ramsey or Buendia were fit. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) He’s unable to beat his man 1v1. Irregardless of anything else, if he can’t do that as a winger, he needs replacement. Edited August 12, 2023 by DJBOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 58 minutes ago, Risso said: We got considerably worse after the break because we lost our best defender in Mings, the player who knits the whole side together. **** all to do with Bailey. Which is why we were all over them for the 23 minutes after torres came on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Philogene ahead of him IMO, he should have started. At least he’d have the excuse of being young and inexperienced if he was crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Pinebro said: It’s a funny old game, football. He’s literally never delivered the type of performance I saw him putting in for Leverkusen. Not once. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, bobzy said: It’s a funny old game, football. He’s literally never delivered the type of performance I saw him putting in for Leverkusen. Not once. Those 20 mins against Everton is as close as he’s come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) Slight sidenote: Not trying to make excuses for him as I responded with my feelings earlier in the thread. We discussed in the Pre Match thread that on BEIN, about 30 mins pre match the commentator said " Leon Bailey is in, but we are told that could change, we'll have more later ". Did he have a problem? Was he/is he even fit? Although, if he did have a problem, surely we should have started someone else? Emery also mentioned " some circumstances " affected us the last few days ( After mentioning the injuries ) Anyway, could be nothing, or just something administrative, but it just came back to mind. Edited August 12, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 hours ago, lexicon said: Thank god certain people are back to wang on incessantly about a player they don't like. Great contribution to the discussion and forum in general. 'He's shit'. Well done. We've been discussing his poor performances and critiquing him for nearly two years now. "He's shit" is a fairly accurate evaluation of him after all of those discussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Slight sidenote: Not trying to make excuses for him as I responded with my feelings earlier in the thread. We discussed in the Pre Match thread that on BEIN, about 30 mins pre match the commentator said " Leon Bailey is in, but we are told that could change, we'll have more later ". Did he have a problem? Was he/is he even fit? Although, if he did have a problem, surely we should have started someone else? Emery also mentioned " some circumstances " affected us the last few days ( After mentioning the injuries ) Anyway, could be nothing, or just something administrative, but it just came back to mind. They said on the commentary that he'd hurt his back during the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Segundo Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 There were a few sub-standard performances today but Bailey still stood out as being a level below. Others were poor - e.g. Kamara, Cash, Watkins - but still did the occasional good thing. They also have credit in the bank from other games. I can't think of anything positive Bailey did apart from one cross which led to nothing. Home games I think he's ok, he contributes goals and assists reasonably regularly, in an El Ghazi style "excellent 20 minutes every now and then" kind of way. Away from home I am struggling to remember anything approaching a decent performance, and struggling even more to remember a goal or even an assist. I dunno maybe I've missed something but I think the guy is a waste of space when we play away . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 He can finish but other than that he is currently a liability. Falls over or gives the ball away far too often and provides very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Did he have a problem? Was he/is he even fit? He was as fit as a one footed headless chicken needs to be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted August 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, El Segundo said: There were a few sub-standard performances today but Bailey still stood out as being a level below. Others were poor - e.g. Kamara, Cash, Watkins - but still did the occasional good thing. They also have credit in the bank from other games. I can't think of anything positive Bailey did apart from one cross which led to nothing. Home games I think he's ok, he contributes goals and assists reasonably regularly, in an El Ghazi style "excellent 20 minutes every now and then" kind of way. Away from home I am struggling to remember anything approaching a decent performance, and struggling even more to remember a goal or even an assist. I dunno maybe I've missed something but I think the guy is a waste of space when we play away . This seems perfectly level-headed assessment based on what we've seen, similar to @KentVillan's post above, and I agree. I don't think we can afford not to have him available, but to start? I don't think so for now. He's going to have prove in training or as a sub that he can play with more precision. He seems fit. He just seemed kind of erratic and desperate, stabbing at balls, passing them to Toon players, etc. or out of bounds. I've been a Bailey Booster, but he's gotta give us something to work with, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Slight sidenote: Not trying to make excuses for him as I responded with my feelings earlier in the thread. We discussed in the Pre Match thread that on BEIN, about 30 mins pre match the commentator said " Leon Bailey is in, but we are told that could change, we'll have more later ". Did he have a problem? Was he/is he even fit? Although, if he did have a problem, surely we should have started someone else? Emery also mentioned " some circumstances " affected us the last few days ( After mentioning the injuries ) Anyway, could be nothing, or just something administrative, but it just came back to mind. Interesting. Ollie 100% wasn't right. Leon possibly as well then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2023 He’s fine to have around as cover for european games. He shouldn’t be starting premier league games. Diaby looks ten times the player already 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 10 hours ago, MotoMkali said: Yeah I wonder why that was. Almost like every time he received the ball they swarmed him with 3 players because they were shitting themselves about him getting in a 1 on 1 situation with burn. They really weren't. I think it was the first 25 minutes in where I thought about posting he needs to come off. I didnt because i was trying to be optimistic but by then he had managed to break up attacking moves for us, didn't offer any protection for cash so they just kept playing down our right, fell over multiple times giving the ball away and made us look weak. He should not have started and that's on emery. As for the argument we conceded 3 in the second without him ? You mean after all the players had been informed mings was now going to hospital because the injury is worse than emi b s? Everyone was effected clearly by that, hence the huge drop off in performance by the entire team. bailey didnt drop off, that would imply he, at some stage of the game, was good. He wasnt, hence a large amount of people wanting him off at half time. Bailey has for some time become a FFS player, the ball goes to him, he messes up and you auto have in your head 'FFS bailey' . He does nothing positive for at least 75% of the time it goes to him and just as the passing stats for yesterday show you, he can't even pass it to his own team mates let alone beat his man, basic traits of his position. Hes like a worse trez. At least trez put in the effort of closing players down or pressuring the opposition defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 7 hours ago, El Segundo said: There were a few sub-standard performances today but Bailey still stood out as being a level below. Others were poor - e.g. Kamara, Cash, Watkins - but still did the occasional good thing. They also have credit in the bank from other games. I can't think of anything positive Bailey did apart from one cross which led to nothing. Home games I think he's ok, he contributes goals and assists reasonably regularly, in an El Ghazi style "excellent 20 minutes every now and then" kind of way. Away from home I am struggling to remember anything approaching a decent performance, and struggling even more to remember a goal or even an assist. I dunno maybe I've missed something but I think the guy is a waste of space when we play away . It’s insulting to el ghazi that he gets compared with Bailey. Anwar did far more for this club than Bailey has ever done 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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