sparrow1988 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 This reminds me of when City just started bullying clubs with their financial muscle. 2009 - Gareth Barry, 2010 - James Milner 2020 - Emi Martinez, 2021 - Emile Smith Rowe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steero113 Posted June 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, ender4 said: Yep, it could all just be bad reporting, taking a couple of snippets of information about us enquiring and turning it into ever increasing bids. David Ornstein is Arsenal's equivalent of John Percy. Would require a monumental cock up his end to falsely report two seperate bids. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, ender4 said: Yep, it could all just be bad reporting, taking a couple of snippets of information about us enquiring and turning it into ever increasing bids. For one bid maybe but for a second bid! Seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, nick76 said: I never understand peoples reasoning for player values. There arent many equivalents for him at the age, some experience and potential especially with the money being spent and earned in the PL. Even if we spent an extra 10m on ESR for his talent, and on a 5 year contract that would only be equivalent of an extra 2m per year for his services (yes i know we have to pay it upfront or close to upfront). If you get chance to pay for a young talent you have to take it even if a big premium. Yes he could fail but with prices these days it's not massive when you think of Sancho, Haaland and even Grealish prices. If think if we get a chance to buy a talent, then we buy him. but it would be our record ever transfer for a player who has played well for Arsenal, albeit inconsistently over 20 games or so last season. The money doesn't matter if he's an exceptional talent, I'm just not convinced he is and I'd guess neither are Arsenal if they're not offering him the contract he wants. Looks to have a lot of potential but I'd rather spend 50m on a more proven player with more than 20 games in the PL than 35m on potential. Edited June 28, 2021 by VillaJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: Hahahaha! Facebook is awash with Arsenals African fan base threatening Villa and their fans if Villa keep trying to sign Smith-Rowe! Bring him in Deano! Villa have our own African fans. Proxy war! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Steero113 said: David Ornstein is Arsenal's equivalent of John Percy. Would require a monumental cock up his end to falsely report two seperate bids. Unless reporting on the second bid was only there to give credability to his statement in the reporting of the first bid that a second one was incoming in a couple of weeks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: Hahahaha! Facebook is awash with Arsenals African fan base threatening Villa and their fans if Villa keep trying to sign Smith-Rowe! Bring him in Deano! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Straggler said: Unless reporting on the second bid was only there to give credibility to his statement in the reporting of the first bid that a second one was incoming in a couple of weeks.... Methinks that is clutching at straws Sir and dare I say it, slightly defeatist. Like him or hate him David Ornstein is not a shithouse merchant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, VillaJay said: but it would be our record ever transfer for a player who has played well for Arsenal, albeit inconsistently over 20 games or so last season. The money doesn't matter if he's an exceptional talent, I'm just not convinced he is and I'd guess neither are Arsenal if they're not offering him the contract he wants. Looks to have a lot of potential but I'd rather spend 50m on a more proven player with more than 20 games in the PL than 35m on potential. Fair enough, I don’t agree on most of that but fair enough and I respect your view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: These bids are just Villa buttering them up for the 45m bid that seals the deal. Socialising the offer? Nice. If we go to 45 then our management must think he’s pretty special, even with the English tax. Still won’t stop the Arsenal fan base collective waters breaking though. For that alone I hope it happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: Villa have our own African fans. Proxy war! Was about to post the same thing. 'Allo 'Allo Ghana aggro Ghana aggro 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, VillaJay said: but it would be our record ever transfer for a player who has played well for Arsenal, albeit inconsistently over 20 games or so last season. The money doesn't matter if he's an exceptional talent, I'm just not convinced he is and I'd guess neither are Arsenal if they're not offering him the contract he wants. Looks to have a lot of potential but I'd rather spend 50m on a more proven player with more than 20 games in the PL than 35m on potential. The last time we took a punt on potential from Arsenal for quite a bit of money (for his position) with the player only having played a handful of games went pretty well if memory serves................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: 2020 - Emi Martinez, 2021 - Emile Smith Rowe 2022 - Saka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, VillaJay said: but it would be our record ever transfer for a player who has played well for Arsenal, albeit inconsistently over 20 games or so last season. The money doesn't matter if he's an exceptional talent, I'm just not convinced he is and I'd guess neither are Arsenal if they're not offering him the contract he wants. Looks to have a lot of potential but I'd rather spend 50m on a more proven player with more than 20 games in the PL than 35m on potential. True but last summer we smashed our record goalkeeper transfer fee by miles for a 28 year old who'd been backup for a decade and played well for 20 games for arsenal the previous season. If our recruitment team think it's good value then I'd be happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted June 28, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, maqroll said: These bids are just Villa buttering them up for the 45m bid that seals the deal. Is he worth that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Steero113 said: David Ornstein is Arsenal's equivalent of John Percy. Would require a monumental cock up his end to falsely report two seperate bids. And also somehow get percy to do so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Have we bid for Gabriel Martinelli yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nigel said: Is he worth that though? Isn’t he worth whatever Arsenal will sell him for and whatever we’re willing to pay? He’s a talented young player, with Premier League experience who precisely fits the remit in a position we want to improve in. Whether his relative value is £45m or not doesn’t really matter unless we’re looking for value first and foremost rather than league positions. Edited June 28, 2021 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nigel said: Is he worth that though? Young English player who everyone rates highly. I'd say 45m is the highest they might go. And yeah, it would instantly make Villa a contender for Europe. Worth it, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: True but last summer we smashed our record goalkeeper transfer fee by miles for a 28 year old who'd been backup for a decade and played well for 20 games for arsenal the previous season. If our recruitment team think it's good value then I'd be happy to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. I agree, if we do buy him, and I hope we do as it would be a true statement of intent buying a top 6 player that they don't want to sell, I trust the recruitment team despite not being sure on the price. And if we do sell Jack I'd hope we go out and buy a further 2x 50m players on top of the current outlay like a Bissouma and Raphina type that is good enough to improve our starting xi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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