maqroll Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 If he's told them he wants out, they might sell if we up the bid to 40m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 5, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, maqroll said: If he's told them he wants out, they might sell if we up the bid to 40m. 35 with add on's Monster monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Apologies if already mentioned....but a Saints fan I know says Ings and Ward-Prowse are really good friends. I'd be good with us signing him but I don't know if he'd be fit for the start of the season or not. Perhaps needs a few weeks to regain fitness as it is a knee problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Apologies if already mentioned....but a Saints fan I know says Ings and Ward-Prowse are really good friends. I'd be good with us signing him but I don't know if he'd be fit for the start of the season or not. Perhaps needs a few weeks to regain fitness as it is a knee problem. Or perhaps a transfer is being negotiated/considered and the injury story is the cover they need to explain not playing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Awol said: Or perhaps a transfer is being negotiated/considered and the injury story is the cover they need to explain not playing him? Never thought of that, perhaps you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, Zhan_Zhuang said: Never thought of that, perhaps you are right. I'm not saying that's the case, but football transfers and honesty aren't always found in bed together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 5, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, RichiBoi11 said: Hopefully he gets some minutes on Saturday. It'd be nice to see what he's about, as he's still in the most part an unknown commodity for us. he's like a new signing. we've not seen enough of him and smith persisted with barkley even when sanson was fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 6 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: To be honest no mid table premier league team will like us now. We’ve been complete shit for about 10 years and out of nowhere have jumped above them and are buying some of their players. All this because we have shit loads of money. It’s like a scaled down version of what city have done. So we can’t really hate on city and be hypocrites in my opinion. I don't think this is exactly true. We aren't blowing those other teams out of the water with our superior finances, but with ambition. Most of the other clubs are owned by billionaires, but different owners are in it for different things. Mike Ashley for example is about as rich as Wes Edens, and he could do what we're doing but he doesn't care to. City on the other hand, got to where they are before FFP stipulated you had to spend within your means, so had an extremely wealthy oil nation bankrolling them to success with a budget that just completely blows every other team out of the water. Not to mention their disregard for the rules that were created to shut the door behind them. We're spending within our means and within the FFP rules. Nothing to be mad about there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I don't think this is exactly true. We aren't blowing those other teams out of the water with our superior finances, but with ambition. Most of the other clubs are owned by billionaires, but different owners are in it for different things. Mike Ashley for example is about as rich as Wes Edens, and he could do what we're doing but he doesn't care to. City on the other hand, got to where they are before FFP stipulated you had to spend within your means, so had an extremely wealthy oil nation bankrolling them to success with a budget that just completely blows every other team out of the water. Not to mention their disregard for the rules that were created to shut the door behind them. We're spending within our means and within the FFP rules. Nothing to be mad about there. Fair point. We have ambitious owners prepared to spend as much as they can. Edited August 5, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 We have revenue growth coming with a new kit sponsor and shirt sponsor. We've VP income to add for next season and hopefully we can qualify for Europe next season. The leeway Grealish leaving gives us is significant this summer and next. Ward Prowse is a better player than any of our existing midfielders (exception is Sanson who could be better). You add the goals from his set piece expertise and he's a player who will make an instant improvement to our first team. We need to push to get this done. 40m is a fair price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garreth Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Is this not in jeopardy because of a suspected injury? Or was that just media bull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, garreth said: Is this not in jeopardy because of a suspected injury? Or was that just media bull? JWP has just gone through two seasons without missing a minute. That's almost unheard of. He picked up a knee injury at the beginning of the summer and they don't want to rush him back until he's fully fit. The manager says that he might not be fully fit in time for the first match in just over a week, which indicates that he's close to playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not against this transfer at all - in fact I would welcome it. Just to put it out there, the biggest ace up JWP’s sleeve is dead balls. Take that away and you go from a very valuable asset to a fairly mediocre one. In Bailey we have another freekick specialist who has some pretty damn impressive stats himself. We have Ashley Young too. Would the money be better spent on a specialist destroyer? Or are we looking for a midfield pairing that can get up and down as b2b’s? Thoughts - Bissouma (or similar) or JWP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thug said: Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not against this transfer at all - in fact I would welcome it. Just to put it out there, the biggest ace up JWP’s sleeve is dead balls. Take that away and you go from a very valuable asset to a fairly mediocre one. In Bailey we have another freekick specialist who has some pretty damn impressive stats himself. We have Ashley Young too. Would the money be better spent on a specialist destroyer? Or are we looking for a midfield pairing that can get up and down as b2b’s? Thoughts - Bissouma (or similar) or JWP? Simply not true based on the stats. He's a very good player even with the removal of set pieces and an improvement on Luiz/Nakamba/McGinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, CVByrne said: Simply not true based on the stats. He's a very good player even with the removal of set pieces and an improvement on Luiz/Nakamba/McGinn Which stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: I don't think this is exactly true. We aren't blowing those other teams out of the water with our superior finances, but with ambition. Most of the other clubs are owned by billionaires, but different owners are in it for different things. Mike Ashley for example is about as rich as Wes Edens, and he could do what we're doing but he doesn't care to. City on the other hand, got to where they are before FFP stipulated you had to spend within your means, so had an extremely wealthy oil nation bankrolling them to success with a budget that just completely blows every other team out of the water. Not to mention their disregard for the rules that were created to shut the door behind them. We're spending within our means and within the FFP rules. Nothing to be mad about there. I mean, kudos to the sentiment but we’re definitely throwing around our considerable financial weight, look at the Buendia and Ings transfers, seems there was little to no negotiation, we paid what they seemed to be happy to accept and got them done, other clubs would have gone back and forth to save a few million. On paper, we’re the 3rd richest club in the country, seems to me we’re flexing those muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 minute ago, bannedfromHandV said: I mean, kudos to the sentiment but we’re definitely throwing around our considerable financial weight, look at the Buendia and Ings transfers, seems there was little to no negotiation, we paid what they seemed to be happy to accept and got them done, other clubs would have gone back and forth to save a few million. On paper, we’re the 3rd richest club in the country, seems to me we’re flexing those muscles. We don't have the 3rd highest revenue though, which is where your money for transfers has to come from in the FFP era. Our owners are richer than the Glaziers for example but that means jack shit because their revenue completely dwarfs ours and that's why they can spend way more than us. We're flexing our muscles because we have the ambition, but we still have a glass ceiling. Before the Grealish sale, realistically we can only spend about 80-120m every year depending on our previous spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Odds on JWP to VIlla currently 1/2 on skybet. Last night it was 6/4 Make of it what you like but I would love him at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Simply not true based on the stats. He's a very good player even with the removal of set pieces and an improvement on Luiz/Nakamba/McGinn He's not. He's Douglas Luiz with elite dead ball ability based on the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) Saints fans appear adamant JWP won't be going anywhere this window, unless a crazy bid (£60-70m) is made. It would be very damning for them if they sold their two best players in one window this close to the start of the season. Edited August 5, 2021 by roonst83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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