The Fun Factory Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Sulberto21 said: It also shows their lack of business acumen and refusal to update. They can potentially double/triple their revenues by going to the streaming model. Knob heads. Sky are looking like a very 90s clunky outfit and old hat by all this. Like you say streaming is the way to go in the future. 1992 to about 2012 was the glory years for Sky and it not coming back. Nor is Keys and Gray thankfully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top based on my small knowledge of NFL film i think exactly the same, they should have put in the infrastructure to film it themselves and then just sell it to distributors years ago, its almost lazy that they haven't my gripe then was that with all the footage that they have no one does anything with it other than the premier league years, its all going to waste whereas the NFL have a constant stream of output from it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top Agree and control over their product and how it’s marketed over seas. Big set up costs to do that though and they already make huge money through TV rights so I can’t see them ever committing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Correct. You have to tailor the strategy to the opponent. An avalanche of bad Google reviews might persuade the village pub to start letting in dogs or your local garden centre to bring back the aquarium, but it's not going to bother JP Morgan. Nobody goes into investment banking because it will make them popular. To put pressure on JP Morgan, the challenge is to demonstrate that there is no way they will get a return on investment. The best way to do that is a clear commitment that one way or another, legislative action will prevent the tournament from taking place. To go back to what I was saying yesterday, it's time for people to start piling the pressure on to their local Tory MP. I think there's a value in picking targets - something that's small enough to be affected, or reliant enough on public opinion to be bothered that's attached to the clubs if placed under pressure could have a voice. It's really hard to hurt Henry at Liverpool, but his shirt sponsors for next season, Expedia, are a travel firm whose business are reliant on how the public sees them compared to their competitors, Abramovich is untouchable, but 3 phones work in a competitive market and need public goodwill and so on. Spurs are owned by ENIC who own M&B, a bit of pressure there on a company that's already struggling would resonate at Joe Lewis's house. I think if it were targeted at small enough chunks of these empires, public pressure could make a difference. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Sky’s anonymous “sleazy 6” source has to be from Tottenham, possibly even Levy himself. Quote A senior figure at one of the breakaway six Premier League clubs has warned: “Don’t expect us to back down and walk away from our plans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top The NHL offers great streaming packages for its 82 regular game season and playoffs. It’s honestly worth it. It’s really shocking how they’ve done it by now. I don’t care about Amazon or BT or Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top Yes that will probably happen but it would not be redistributive. The 6 quitters will make far more for their matches than us or Everton for example. The Premier League is actually has a reasonably fair allocation of resources when compared to the CL and other leagues such as Serie A and La Liga which clubs can do their own deals. I don't think the ESL will happen but something else will, but not a total closed shop, probably including streaming and the big clubs will get stronger. It is the natural progression of football with it becoming more and more commercialised. Starting with the abolition of the maximum wage, the ending of sharing league gate receipts, the formation of the premier league, letting anyone buy clubs, and now this next era. I will be surprised if this backlash result in some sort of socialist profit sharing sporting utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Bloomberg states PSG will put out a statement stating they rejected this super league and have no plans to join it. Who would’ve thought PSG come out of this well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Remember the good old days when the Champions League was only for the champions of the domestic leagues. Now you’ve got clubs who aren’t even finishing in the top 4 places demanding a bigger slice of the financial pie, are you freaking kidding me?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top I don't think it's the platform itself. BeIn Sports over here in Dubai show every single Premier League, Champions League, Europa League, Internationals, most La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and EFL, along with international rugby, the tennis and golf - and that costs about £15 per month. The only thing they don't have is the F1, but that's on a free-to-air channel anyway (coverage is shit though). I'm sure Sky could trim the fat out of it's bloated broadcasting setup if it wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Silent_Bob said: The Silly League will of course fail if the other clubs realize who actually has all the power. Assume you were a stand up comedian doing your shows at a comedy club and people came to watch. You think you are very successful, but in fact the crowd is there just because they want to see stand up comedy. They are not there to see you spesificly. But you want to earn more money. You move your shows to a different location and think that people from now on will stop going to the old club and go to see you instead. But they won't. Same thing here. People will want to watch the Premier League. For sure those that have decided that they support one of the breakaway clubs might try to find enjoyment in watching this Silly League instead. But ten years down the road and the next generation of supporters just pick another club from the menu. Behind the Premier League there will be Sky and others promoting the league. This Silly League is supposed to be pay per view. nobody to promote. I think the breakaway clubs totally misjudge their own appeal. Initally they probably could attract some attention, but only if they can get the credibility they will get from being successfull in their domestic league. Admitting you watch this Silly League will be like admitting you're watching child pornography. Everyone will hate it. Unless they can borrow credibility from their domestic league. So they are the ultimate parasites in my opinion. They want the exposure that will follow from being in the PL. They want financial advantages that ensure they are at the very top. But they will treat the league as shit. They only need it for the exposure and they don't even care if they ruin the Premier League while they are filling their own pockets. As long as the other clubs actually realise that what makes these clubs great, they also understand who holds the power. If it is Liverpool FC, Premier League champions, they can attract people to watch their Silly League. If it is Liverpool FC, a club from Liverpool, they will soon be forgotten. I think most of us on here are 'fans' - we like to see villa win - beating Liverpool etc is special - but we still pay and enjoy watching us beat Burnley and Sheff utd. However the above isn't the target audience of the ESL - Its people in the far East who have heard all about Manchester United , Barcelona , Real Madrid , they just want to watch a game of football preferably between two big clubs. That where the money is. One of things I am most proud of as a villa fan - is my dad took me to my first match in 1972 - it was a division 3 game between villa and Walsall !!! - and we didn't even win !!! - 9 years later I was standing on the terraces at Highbury as we were crowned League Champions. Sadly stories like that don't land bumper TV deals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sharkyvilla Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, villa4europe said: £8 a month from sky Germany, every game they dont do it in the uk out of choice, not been that long since they wanted £15 a game I don't think they're allowed to just have one broadcaster due to monopoly laws over here, otherwise PL football would never have left Sky at all. I don't know if there is a workaround where they give some token live games to Match of the Day. Also having every game live would be the end of the 3pm Saturday kick off as it's also illegal to show live football between 3 and 5 on a Saturday in normal, non-covid times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted April 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top I would absolutely be up for that, but knowing football there is no way it would be that cheap. Too much greed. Treble that easily. A couple of seasons ago as I was struggling for cash I was looking into local non-league and lower league sides to take my little lad to. Even the lowest cost was around £15-20 a game per person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: Bloomberg states PSG will put out a statement stating they rejected this super league and have no plans to join it. Who would’ve thought PSG come out of this well. As I think somebody said yesterday, if Man City, Chelsea and Madrid are thrown out the Champions League, PSG end up winning the trophy by default because they were the least greedy. Which is pretty darn ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: I think this could very well come down to the players. I think there's another massive motivation for players and agents in this. Firstly, one of the things the Superleague is designed to do is allow the big clubs to reduce wage bills once the threat of outside competition is removed - there will be no million pound a week Haaland, the club will conspire to cap that at something they can better afford. Secondly, there will only be around 300 players in the bubble - the rest will continue to exist outside, in an impoverished football landscape - for the vast majority of players, the good times are over. If you're John McGinn and you're on £60k a week, once the TV money goes down, you're not getting that - your next contract will be for £10k or £15k or whatever. If you're not in the top 30 players in the world in your position, but you're decent - this is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: Sky’s anonymous “sleazy 6” source has to be from Tottenham, possibly even Levy himself. 20/11/19- "In Jose we have one of the most experienced managers in football" 19/04/21-Spurs sack Mourinho after just 17 month in charge He may change his tune. Edited April 20, 2021 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: As I think somebody said yesterday, if Man City, Chelsea and Madrid are thrown out the Champions League, PSG end up winning the trophy by default because they were the least greedy. Which is pretty darn ironic. It's even more ironic when you think 12 out of 15 have currently signed up. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to guess who 2 of the other 3 are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I've been saying for ages that the premier league should **** Sky and BT off and do it all in house. Streaming service that shows every game. £10 a month (Even £20 a month would be worth it and I think most football fans would pay that to see every game their team plays plus any others they want to see) and they would make an absolute killing. Even just 5 million subscribers at £20 a month (and I expect they'd get more if it was a worldwide thing) is 1.2billion a year. Plus I'm sure they could run ads and make a shit load more on top As a collective package for the Premier League the clubs could make huge revenue from it. Then there's the potential sponsorship deals that would be on the table. They can make more like this than the potential ESL. Perez needs the English clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BOF said: It's even more ironic when you think 12 out of 15 have currently signed up. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to guess who 2 of the other 3 are. Somebody on here showed the contract thingy, said PSG, Munich and Dortmund. PSG had 14 days to accept and the German teams was 30 days. I’m guessing that was due to owner v fans owners discretion Edited April 20, 2021 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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